SE, please buff Dragoon ...

[Polluxx]

Job already have the worst options for melee utility, now it is, also, the worst option for melee damage.

It should be fighting with Monk for the 2nd place in melee DPS, now it fights for the 3rd place with Ninja, who has the best options for melee raid utility.

An increase in potency/rDPS should do the work.

Also, Summoner is still way ahead than it should be.

[ForteNightshade]

What?

Seriously, what? Dragoon is still a powerhouse and by far the most played Melee. In fact, until TEA, Dragoon was the most played job by a country landslide. It has all but dominated Shadowbringers. It should be more or less balanced with Ninja given a lot of Ninja's utilities were stripped away. With all that said, Dragoon's damage has suffered somewhat this tier. That, however, is due to it having zero range options in a tier that seems to despise Melee. Piercing Talon is such a worthless ability, it's better to do absolutely nothing. If anything, that needs to be fixed; preferably through both a damage boost and it no longer breaking your combo.

Simply put, the only reason Ninja has pulled ahead is due to Mudras being on the GCD now. So they lose less disengaging. If you straight up buff Dragoon's overall damage, they'd be far too strong in any fight without downtime.

[Polluxx]

What?

Seriously, what? Dragoon is still a powerhouse and by far the most played Melee. In fact, until TEA, Dragoon was the most played job by a country landslide. It has all but dominated Shadowbringers. It should be more or less balanced with Ninja given a lot of Ninja's utilities were stripped away. With all that said, Dragoon's damage has suffered somewhat this tier. That, however, is due to it having zero range options in a tier that seems to despise Melee. Piercing Talon is such a worthless ability, it's better to do absolutely nothing. If anything, that needs to be fixed; preferably through both a damage boost and it no longer breaking your combo.

Simply put, the only reason Ninja has pulled ahead is due to Mudras being on the GCD now. So they lose less disengaging. If you straight up buff Dragoon's overall damage, they'd be far too strong in any fight without downtime.

Class/Job popularity has little to nothing to do with Class/Job technical game design... Ninja still have Trick Attack, wich is a better raid utility than litany (Raid increased damage per minute >>>> Raid increased Critical Rating per 3 minutes), even Monk's Brotherhood is a better raid utility than Litany, and Dragon Sight is more of a personal buff than a group buff.

I completely agree with the lack of range options and Piercing Talon being shit. I'm not asking for a BIG potency buff in every skill, but a better potency balance since Dragoon have the worst raid utility of mDPS jobs, it's easier to achieve that with potency buffs.

[Ramura_Sono]

Goon? Get buffs?
Absolutely no.
Summoner? Still too strong?
Absolutely yes.

[Lastelli]

Summoner? Still too strong?
Absolutely yes.

That might be the case, but what if it wasn't?
BLM would then be absolutely unbalanced, it would have no competition at all. At least now BLM is not a forced choice.

[Vendalwind]

That might be the case, but what if it wasn't?
BLM would then be absolutely unbalanced, it would have no competition at all. At least now BLM is not a forced choice.

BLM is never a forced choice because it also has the potential to be REALLY crappy because of how it functions. BLM rotation is brain dead. BUT BLM rotation applied optimally in fights with movement and downtime (may) be the hardest thing in the game to perfect. SMN shouldn't contest BLM IMO. if anything contests, it should be melee in general.

[Karshan]

Job already have the worst options for melee utility, now it is, also, the worst option for melee damage.

It should be fighting with Monk for the 2nd place in melee DPS, now it fights for the 3rd place with Ninja, who has the best options for melee raid utility.

An increase in potency/rDPS should do the work.

Also, Summoner is still way ahead than it should be.

The worst option for melee utility ? Sorry what ? Litany makes godly openers, even moreso that crit power creep will start again with this tier (with it being best op stat in the final one).

Good DPS also comes from peaking really high in openers and then smoothing and lengthening the drop the most you can. Starting slow is manageable but it doesn't do wonders in the end, and DRG helps a lot avoiding that.

As for personal dmg : this is a tier where melee finally have to struggle for uptime in 5.x so ofc it will feel lackluster to you, especially for the reason Forte explained on NIN desengaging mitigation

[Polluxx]

The worst option for melee utility ? Sorry what ? Litany makes godly openers, even moreso that crit power creep will start again with this tier (with it being best op stat in the final one).

Good DPS also comes from peaking really high in openers and then smoothing and lengthening the drop the most you can. Starting slow is manageable but it doesn't do wonders in the end, and DRG helps a lot avoiding that.

As for personal dmg : this is a tier where melee finally have to struggle for uptime in 5.x so ofc it will feel lackluster to you, especially for the reason Forte explained on NIN desengaging mitigation

As a said for ForteNightshade, Trick Attack is a 15s raid damage 5% increase at every minute, Brotherhood is a 15s raid physical damage 5% increase at every minute and a half ... Battle Litany is a 20s raid critical rating 10% increase ate every 3 minutes ... increased damage + less cooldown >>>> increased critical rating + more cooldown.

[Curisu]

Please nerf dragoons endlessly.
I don't want them in my e8s groups, because they can not stand still and have to use a jump in P1 tower phase and are the main reason that I can't get a group to practice the Add phase and further.