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    Quote Originally Posted by xxvaynxx View Post
    Wow....you must be a great person and fun to be around...HUGE /s

    Seriously? Being scared of spiders is pathetic? that's like one of the most common fears people have.
    Was this your attempt at trying to "school" them? you failed...horribly, lost all credibility.

    You sir, are the pathetic one.
    That is nice Lol, it makes them learn the hard way that there is no reason to fear the spider or the snake those two creatures only attack people who desever it anyways if you don't mess with them they won't mess with you.

    Also, you're right, it is common, but the common man is inferior to those of us who know there is no reason to fear any animal.

    Its about teaching them the hard way the same way to teach someone who can't swim how to swim you throw them in sink or swim is a great teaching method.

    And nop your incorrect.. the world and nature doesn't cuddle with people its a harsh reality that the fear is Pathetic and should get over the fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    That is nice Lol, it makes them learn the hard way that there is no reason to fear the spider or the snake those two creatures only attack people who desever it anyways if you don't mess with them they won't mess with you.

    Also, you're right, it is common, but the common man is inferior to those of us who know there is no reason to fear any animal.

    Its about teaching them the hard way the same way to teach someone who can't swim how to swim you throw them in sink or swim is a great teaching method.

    And nop your incorrect.. the world and nature doesn't cuddle with people its a harsh reality that the fear is Pathetic and should get over the fear.
    Studies have shown that the fear of spiders is likely a genetic one, as even babies who will have never seen one will react in fear. It is a survival thing, as spiders can get in to where a baby is, and they are poisonous. Bears, while deadly, do not elicit the same reaction in babies, as they are unlikely to encounter one within their home.


    You aren't "better than the common man" or anything. There is nothing that makes you a greater person. Your interactions here tend to point you down the other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    That is nice Lol, it makes them learn the hard way that there is no reason to fear the spider or the snake those two creatures only attack people who desever it anyways if you don't mess with them they won't mess with you.

    Also, you're right, it is common, but the common man is inferior to those of us who know there is no reason to fear any animal.

    Its about teaching them the hard way the same way to teach someone who can't swim how to swim you throw them in sink or swim is a great teaching method.

    And nop your incorrect.. the world and nature doesn't cuddle with people its a harsh reality that the fear is Pathetic and should get over the fear.
    Phobias are one of the easiest pscyche maladies to treat (with behavioral therapy). You overcome a phobia by gradually exposing yourself to it. Overexposure from the start will cause unnecessary stress and can make the phobia even worse.

    However, after you've succesfully overcome a phobia, it will come back relatively fast if you stop exposing yourself to it, meaning that you basically have to regularly expose yourself to the (former) phobia or go back to behavioral therapy at regular basis. This proves that phobias are something that is ingrained and can't be cured long term, it can only be kept at bay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    Phobias are one of the easiest pscyche maladies to treat (with behavioral therapy). You overcome a phobia by gradually exposing yourself to it. Overexposure from the start will cause unnecessary stress and can make the phobia even worse.

    However, after you've succesfully overcome a phobia, it will come back relatively fast if you stop exposing yourself to it, meaning that you basically have to regularly expose yourself to the (former) phobia or go back to behavioral therapy at regular basis. This proves that phobias are something that is ingrained and can't be cured long term, it can only be kept at bay.
    I believe it can be with long term exposure to whatever the fear is.. to teach that there's no need to be afraid of it. However, regardless the game has many spiders and snakes so yeah.

    Which is why as much as a jerk as it makes me sound I believe it would really help the person get over the fear.

    I highly doubt anyone has done a year long study of exposure 24/7 for 365 days and I'm willing to bet that would break it so they are no longer afraid.
    Regardless the point remains.. In fantasy it doesn't matter if you don't like X thing, then avoid it for whatever reason. I hate machines and high technology, but I still put up with 95% of the game being mecha fights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    I believe it can be with long term exposure to whatever the fear is.. to teach that there's no need to be afraid of it. However, regardless the game has many spiders and snakes so yeah.

    Which is why as much as a jerk as it makes me sound I believe it would really help the person get over the fear.

    I highly doubt anyone has done a year long study of exposure 24/7 for 365 days and I'm willing to bet that would break it so they are no longer afraid.
    Regardless the point remains.. In fantasy it doesn't matter if you don't like X thing, then avoid it for whatever reason. I hate machines and high technology, but I still put up with 95% of the game being mecha fights.
    I mean, more exposure to what one fears MIGHT help some people, but like anything it is likely not the same for everyone with a phobia. Everyone requires a different approach. In small doses over a period of time (and with an increase of the time one spends with it) the fear might be conquered. Saying "here you go, good luck and have fun" and leaving them to basically fend for themselves is kinda...wrong. And no, I don't think you are correct in your train of thought. Well, not entirely. Like I said, it might work for some, but everyone is different. I'd also like to consider it as simple human compassion to not throw someone into what they fear and leave them there. Things aren't going to be fixed so easily, and in all likelihood it would just make things worse. You were on thin ice with one of your previous posts already. Doubling down on your ideology won't help, but you have taken a less...intense tone with this post so I guess it's a step in the right direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    That is nice Lol, it makes them learn the hard way that there is no reason to fear the spider or the snake those two creatures only attack people who desever it anyways if you don't mess with them they won't mess with you.

    Also, you're right, it is common, but the common man is inferior to those of us who know there is no reason to fear any animal.

    Its about teaching them the hard way the same way to teach someone who can't swim how to swim you throw them in sink or swim is a great teaching method.

    And nop your incorrect.. the world and nature doesn't cuddle with people its a harsh reality that the fear is Pathetic and should get over the fear.
    Humanity is at its most scientifically educated in history yet there's still people that believe this in defiance of common sense and millions of combined hours of research.

    Sink or swim not only is not a great teaching method- it's not actually a teaching method in the most literal sense. You yourself don't actually have to know how to swim in order to throw someone into a river, and there's nothing suggesting you will suddenly learn a skill you do not possess if placed in a situation of life or death. Anyone who drowns is in a literal sink or swim situation, and people drown so using your chosen method you'd basically just be murdering people. Even if they survive, they may develop a very rational fear of deep water, rational because they quite reasonably could have died.

    As for your baffling methods for treating phobias- again, there's plenty of research by intelligent minds, and all of it shows you're not only incorrect but your unsupported thoughts on the matter would only make things worse. Exposure therapy tends to take considerable time and builds up slowly.

    Putting a spider on someone who is terrified of spiders is something you might expect from a nine year old, but generally people develop common sense and enough empathy to realize why that's the behaviour of a cruel child and not a well adjusted human being some time during their teenage development years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    That is nice Lol, it makes them learn the hard way that there is no reason to fear the spider or the snake those two creatures only attack people who desever it anyways if you don't mess with them they won't mess with you.

    Also, you're right, it is common, but the common man is inferior to those of us who know there is no reason to fear any animal.

    Its about teaching them the hard way the same way to teach someone who can't swim how to swim you throw them in sink or swim is a great teaching method.

    And nop your incorrect.. the world and nature doesn't cuddle with people its a harsh reality that the fear is Pathetic and should get over the fear.
    Keep in mind that my reply is based on how I perceive your view.

    Here's the thing: I don't like how you quote your words because it feels like you don't know what phobia is but you're making fun of it since it sounds lame and weird.
    Phobia is more than just "scared of" stuff, they make you suffocate, paralized, and even increase your heart rate to the point you can get a heart attack so I don't suggest you to just "make them learn" about their phobia. If you don't have any phobia I suggest you not to speak over those who have because you can spread misinformation.

    You don't immediately expose them to a large amount of spiders and snakes if they're Ophiophobic and/or Arachnophobic because chances you send them to hospital for the worst. And you don't immediately throw someone to deep water to teach them to swim because if this is your method you're a psychopath who enjoy seeing people struggling on their own fear.

    When I can be anything in this world, I chose to be kind and helpful rather than meeting someone who could care less about other's phobias
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    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    Its about teaching them the hard way the same way to teach someone who can't swim how to swim you throw them in sink or swim is a great teaching method.
    My father is terrified of water because his parents tried to teach him like that. He still can't swim.

    Quote Originally Posted by LolitaBansheeMeru View Post
    Also, you're right, it is common, but the common man is inferior to those of us who know there is no reason to fear any animal.
    Do you live under a rock? The world is full of deadly animals that can easily kill us with sheer force or with their venom. You may not live in a place with such animals, but many people do. In some parts of the world a fear of spiders is completely justified. Australia had to ban an episode of a kid's tv show (I think it was Peppa Pig) because it taught kids that spiders are not dangerous, which is absolutely not the case in that country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    I've actually had the "be thrown in water to learn to swim" treatment as a kid. That's how I got a permanent phobia of deep water/open water that's not by the shore. I swear, some people should just stop it.
    I am deeply sorry that happened to you, hun </3 Nobody should ever have to experience that. And yes, people truly do need to stop with the destructive mindset of believing that forcing people to face their phobias will help them. It's more likely to cause harm and more damages than anything.
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