It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[E4EO]

"Muh safespace" apparently is of paramount importance to these people, even in video games now.
hint: don't play multiplayer games if you're triggered that easily.

You’re putting words in others mouths by assuming people are taking this seriously enough to get triggered, sure, I would like this feature if it was added, but if it wasn’t? Wouldn’t be any skin off my back personally as I’ve already gotten used to DRK maids, just be a little disappointing that we wouldn’t have that filter. Not gonna speak for others but I highly doubt anyone who either supports or doesn’t support this would seriously, honesty, get upset, or triggered I guess.

Or people could somehow get triggered if this isn’t/is added, that’d look real good everyone.

[Awha]

I would not lose sleep if this feature was not added, and to be frank from the get go I have been coming from this from the perspective of it not being implemented since in the grand scheme of things it is a first world problem. To be frank if we want to be fair both sides are asking for "protection" of ones safespace if we really want to go there. One side wants to be able to not see things that they may find bothersome for whatever reason, and other does not want any meaningful amount of people (which is a nebulous standard tbh) to not have the option to see their character as they desire.

One could say both want control over their personal or safe space so to speak. This is why I personally try to leave any and all irl notions of morality, and social norms out of video games just gets murky imo. It is a fanstasy world that people use as an escape, and I see that escape as a two way street. Sure people may use it to escape the injustices they may face on a personal level in the real world, but same could be said for the other side that does not want to x for whatever reason it may feel like a injustice to them I do not know, the why does not matter all that much to me in the end though.

Granted I do not largely agree with the safe space claim, I do not feel wanting to be able to enhance ones personal game play experience is asking for a lot. I know I ramble a lot, but from my side I still stand by the theory that one could say it could reduce hate since as they saying goes out of sight out of mind. If someone does not have to see an aspect they do not enjoy then that aspect may not even register in their mind and maybe just maybe they will run into someone and have an enjoyable experience with someone they probably would not even give the time of day. Especially if they make the sytem an all of nothing toggle.

Though my reasoning for having this view has a lot to do with my own personal expereince in game which I did refer to a few posts ago and if people want that context they can look back for it. Way I see it we are all gamers part of the same community we have no need to try and play the victim card or cry for injustice or claim attacks on personal choice because we have differing views regarding some ingame features or items. In the end it is just another option, sure some may think it is a petty or silly option, but wonderful thing about options they are often optional. Only reason to take it personal is because one makes it personal which I get for many fashion is important, hell I get annoyed when someone asked me to remove my frog suit. I did not, but hey if this feature was a thing they would not have had to. To me this feature is no different then a language filter, I get many disagree with this, since in the end they would have the same effect, sure one may not the intended effect of the language but it allows players control over an aspect SE cannot control. Just as SE cannot control the subjective view such taste and prefence of the player base and glams.

I mean one in theory could say it could reduce hate since as they saying goes out of sight out of mind. If someone does not have to see an aspect they do not enjoy then that aspect may not even register in their mind and maybe just maybe they will run into someone and have an enjoyable experience with someone they probably would not even give the time of day. Especially if they make the sytem an all of nothing toggle.

You have to admit that there's a really big difference between wanting your character to be a safe space, and wanting the entire game to be a safe space.

Personally the only difference I see at the core is one side wants something added to be added so they can remove aspects that they feel infringe on theiir personal experience (safe space) and the other is asking for something to not be added that infringe on their experience (safe space) outside of that I do not see any difference.


Sorry forum post limit.

Apparently triggered enough to make a forum thread and perpetuate the discussion.
I wasn't referring to anything extreme like tantrums or anything, that would indeed be silly.

Having a discussion is not a bad thing, nor does it mean someone is triggered by it, for the most part people have been just trying to have a friendly conversation, do not think many are triggered per-se.

[Penthea]

One could say both want control over their personal or safe space so to speak.

You have to admit that there's a really big difference between wanting your character to be a safe space, and wanting the entire game to be a safe space.

[Granyala]

You’re putting words in others mouths by assuming people are taking this seriously enough to get triggered

Apparently triggered enough to make a forum thread and perpetuate the discussion.
I wasn't referring to anything extreme like tantrums or anything, that would indeed be silly.

[Derio]

Well assuming they are going to eventually let all items be for both genders it only makes sense.

[Theodric]

'Triggered' is one of those words that, much like 'troll', 'bigot' and 'toxic' has lost much of its original meaning. The side asking for the feature to be added is being perfectly reasonable and civil. Those pointing fingers and hurling personal attacks is entirely stemming from some of those in opposition to the proposal. Which, in turn, suggests that the 'triggered' accusation is being applied rather haphazardly and deceptively.

[DumdogsWorld]

'Triggered' is one of those words that, much like 'troll', 'bigot' and 'toxic' has lost much of its original meaning. The side asking for the feature to be added is being perfectly reasonable and civil. Those pointing fingers and hurling personal attacks is entirely stemming from some of those in opposition to the proposal. Which, in turn, suggests that the 'triggered' accusation is being applied rather haphazardly and deceptively.

I can attest to this. People seem to think that reacting to something via personal tastes = being either triggered or not triggered.

We all have tastes, which means that there are always things we like as well as don't like. Apparently people are "easily triggered" for disliking stuff, even if they don't feel that those things are wrong.

Or maybe they just feel that it's okay to dislike those things, but you are absolutely not allowed to distance yourselves from those things in any way.

[Penthea]

Personally the only difference I see at the core is one side wants something added to be added so they can remove aspects that they feel infringe on theiir personal experience (safe space) other is asking for something to not be added that infringe on their experience (safe space) outside of that I do not see any difference

You don't see a difference between wanting to control only how your own character looks, and wanting to control how every character looks? Are you serious?

And no at the core they're not the same. One side wants their intolerance to differing tastes to enable them to change how every character looks, while the others think that changing how other players look goes against the spirit of what it means to play in a mmorpg.

And seeing as you have brought up mods before let me tell you this: WoW is the other big mmorpg out there, and far bigger than FFXIV. Blizzard allow mods but they explicitly forbid any that change how environments and characters look. Mods are allowed to only change how ui looks and acts. Likely because not only do Blizzard believe players having complete control over the presets and gear that make up how their character looks to be something they consider to be part of the aesthetic of their game, they also probably don't want to open the can of worms that is permitting players to change how the world looks to fit their personal vision.

The vision of the game doesn't belong to the players, it belongs to the devs. Not even how our own characters look completely belong to us because we are merely given presets that we can choose from.

[Lauront]

For starters, you only actually see words if you’re interacting with someone or standing near them when they say stuff out loud, or if you’re associated with them like in an FC/Party/Linkshell/etc. So, yeah, you can legit avoid it by looking away or leaving. But you seem to be conveniently ignoring what I said about players and their words being out of SE’s control?

Gear is in SE’s control so they have no need to put in filters because that’s exactly what they want people to see whether people glamour or not. You see THEIR content. Words on the other hand are not things they can control so they have to put in filters lest it become associated with them. Otherwise the filter would be applicable to NPC lines; whatever is an acceptable PG-13 curse is already decided by SE and therefore what they show you is what they want you to see.

I am well aware of all this, but at the same time, even they know that some players don't like the gear they add, and some compositions of outfits they put together, which is why they are also slow at handling the gender unlocks.

It is also not the point I was making in response to that poster, who was arguing just looking away solved the issue and removed the need for such a feature to be added... on that front, there is definitely a parallel in telling someone there's no need for a blacklist or mature language filter because they can just look away. Regardless, it is silly to think just because something is in game, everyone will like it, and it's not even something SE believes to be the case.

On coding, did you even freaking read my entire post or did you just cherry pick things you know how to argue with? Because neither you nor anyone else have actually provided a solution that isn’t going to end up displeasing someone. And if you know anything about even basic coding, you’d know filtering words is a completely different animal from filtering art. Just look at Tumblr and it’s horrible disaster of a “Safe Mode”.

Heck, I regularly see awful fetish art and even some nsfw on Google images slipping through the cracks. That’s exactly how impossible it is to filter images perfectly. First of all, for “block specific gear”, you’d be relying on tags, which are, you guessed it! Words! And second, for “block individual glams” it would get pretty taxing on a server if it has to track every save state of every person who’s blocked specific outfits.

Let's skip the talk about tags, because it is not what is being proposed in relation to this feature - just a feature allowing individual players to block glamours a specific player is wearing. If their view is that it would be too taxing and they can't develop a workaround that circumvents that issue, then I will concede it is not feasible to implement.

That some people may be displeased with it - its mere existence, even - is just an inevitability of life.

At the end of the day, it is a request some people are making to allow them more control over what's on their screen. It's either feasible/cost-efficient, or it's not.

If SE can figure out how to implement this and willing to, fine then. If not, it’s ain’t ever gonna happen.

I'll agree on that much.

[Awha]

You don't see a difference between wanting to control only how your own character looks, and wanting to control how every character looks? Are you serious?

And no at the core they're not the same. One side wants their intolerance to differing tastes to enable them to change how every character looks, while the others think that changing how other players look goes against the spirit of what it means to play in a mmorpg.

And seeing as you have brought up mods before let me tell you this: WoW is the other big mmorpg out there, and far bigger than FFXIV. Blizzard allow mods but they explicitly forbid any that change how environments and characters look. Mods are allowed to only change how ui looks and acts. Likely because not only do Blizzard believe players having complete control over the presets and gear that make up how their character looks to be something they consider to be part of the aesthetic of their game, they also probably don't want to open the can of worms that is permitting players to change how the world looks to fit their personal vision.

The vision of the game doesn't belong to the players, it belongs to the devs. Not even how our own characters look completely belong to us because we are merely given presets that we can choose from.

My guess they limit visual mods in that game for legality reasons you know nude mods, terrian alteration to get adavantges in pvp or pve content etc . . . In WoW I did alter and even had sreen shots on the old forums of my character is a demon before the demon transformance was added to the dem. This is why I understand not making the game open to mods, as I much as I would love I get it, I do not agree with it, but I will lose sleep over it. Akin to this idea too. This is also another murky subject for me that I have a view many do not agree with, I do think because someone says something is wrong means I will follow it without any enforcement of said rules.

Issue boils down you are projecting you own assumptions as to why someone would want to this change. We have no way of knowing what is the motive is behind someone wanting to this feature added or the use of the feature. For me personally what I see on my screen is my personal view, I have not changed what you see, nor am I asking the devs to alter the game world for everyone. That is the wonderful thing about options, their optional. All jokes aside if break both sides down to their base structure it comes down to a battle of no each side wanting control over their personal experience. How is that not the same? It only becomes different when one interjerts their own bias into it. I am guilty of the same, but when I try to look past my bias I do not see any difference between the core idea behind each side.

In the end you are right, as many have said it is not our call it is up to SE, they can do whatever they want and if they do add it cool, if they don't (which they wont, I have mentioned that dozens of times) meh so be it.

Like in this game, I want a body hair slider SE has not given one yet, so I use my "imagination" so to speak to alter my game to enhance my personal experience within the game. Or how I wish SE would add a 4k texture pack, but that has not happened so I have to had to use my "imagination" to see the world clearer. People are not as safe as they wishor make it out to seem, and in the end the comes down to numbers. For me if someone has a problem with many people doing something, they should have a problem a single person doing it. If one feels that the aspect of people potentially seeing them differently is an issue, then they should take action against the current state of the game and voice with their wallet or put the same amount of energy beacause the reality is people already alter the world around them in FFXIV, it just not as readliy available. Out of sight out of mind, I wish that was not the case, but hey that is life.

I mentioned above this is why I strongly think it could reduce hate since as they saying goes out of sight out of mind. If someone does not have to see an aspect they do not enjoy then that aspect may not even register in their mind and maybe just maybe they will run into someone and have an enjoyable experience with someone they probably would not even give the time of day. Especially if they make the sytem an all of nothing toggle.

This is why I do not like to add to much IRL examples because it often takes away from the core. In the end the only objective marker we have to go off of would a change like this impact gameplay in any negative way? Truthfully I do not think so, though if start to ask would it impact people on a personal level that is yes. Though if we ask why, in the grand scheme most people would not even know that people see them differently so the negative impact on the personal level is subjective in nature, while still important that is something we should consider.