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  1. #21
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    Kalise Relanah
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    I assume that Squadrons will get updated when they push out the next set of GC stuff.

    Since that was the case for the last 2 Squadron level bumps. Adding in a new GC rank and some extra guff on the vendors.

    Might take a bit longer, given they'd have to figure out a way for certain bosses to not wreck you completely with the typical Squadron things, i.e. The whole "Randomly Target" is always on you because Squaddies completely ignore mechanics (This would cause an issue with for example, Shisui first boss where you'll get pinned by the boss and would need your squad to break the legs. To say nothing about Bardam's Mettle second boss which would require players to do the mechanics without failing)
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    Rasikko Rakitto
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlamila View Post
    I'm all for it, but they seem to have abandoned them, they didn't even update their skills after skill changes (tanks still having Flash and all).
    I had been saying it for a while now that I think they were just prototypes for the Trust system.
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  3. #23
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    Merridyll Cailleach
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    Shiva
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    Bard Lv 80
    Squadons is something that SE should really removed and completely exchange out with trust reworks fitting for all ARR, HW and SB content, trust is just the way more superior and better designe system/gameplay mechanic, while squadrons basically got outdated quickly
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  4. #24
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    Krystal Abyss
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonlite View Post
    I find it weird that squadrons can't do more dungeons. The ignore mechanics and so some of the ones they are not allowed into makes no sense.
    I stopped doing Squadrons when the burst DPS was removed. I like Trusts. They are slow, very slow. But they work.

    Squadrons at the starting level are terrible with their current AI. If they were tuned to be as smart as Trusts, I'd probably use them to level DPS. Nothing quite like trying out ARR dungeons with their annoying Invulnerable phases and they keep attacking. A pain to direct them on controller as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iVolke View Post
    This is probably the easiest forum to bait.

    y'all are kinda dumb tbh

  5. #25
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    Liam Harper
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiserdrache View Post
    Squadons is something that SE should really removed and completely exchange out with trust reworks fitting for all ARR, HW and SB content, trust is just the way more superior and better designe system/gameplay mechanic, while squadrons basically got outdated quickly
    I hope not.

    Squadrons are miles faster than Trusts, which are pathetically slow because of some irrational fear that dungeon queues would suffer, despite that never being an issue with Squadrons. Squadrons hit much harder and can be boosted to insane damage with Offensive 5 (always go offensive 5 on all Squad members). It doesn't matter if they suck at mechanics when they melt things like butter. It would slow leveling drastically if they updated old dungeons to the current Trust system.
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  6. #26
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    Sylbritt Muscadet
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    Cerberus
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    I'd love to see an update to the Squadron. Some SB dungeons would be a great addition and an update to the rewards, specifically materia, would be welcome too. When they came out grade IV was useful and the chemistry that gave materia was worth trying for. Now we are up to grade VIII materia, grade IV is not something to get excited about.

    As to the idea of extending the Trust system to include the SB dungeons, I'm not sure that would work too well.

    I worked hard getting my squad just the way I wanted them. Considering the amount of time it takes to level them, get all your desired members, get the right chemistry etc., I think it would be a shame if the devs just abandoned squadrons completely and never updated them.
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  7. #27
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    Tal Young
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    Cerberus
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    I'd like to see squads reworked to fill the same niche as trusts, but that's at least partially because I just don't like seeing a whole bunch of different systems left knocking about partially abandoned.

    It would be a lot of work but it'd be pretty neat if they merged the two systems together.
    A basic squad unlocked when you join a GC, more recruit slots unlocked as you climb the ranks, and story NPCs added as options as you get further along the MSQ.

    Obviously your first run of a dungeon would be locked, as it is now, to whoever makes sense. No squad when you first get to Holminster for example, but it'd be fun to re-run something like Doma Castle with Thancred, Alphinaud and my favourite little lalafell archer from my squad.
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liam_Harper View Post
    I hope not.

    Squadrons are miles faster than Trusts, which are pathetically slow because of some irrational fear that dungeon queues would suffer, despite that never being an issue with Squadrons. Squadrons hit much harder and can be boosted to insane damage with Offensive 5 (always go offensive 5 on all Squad members). It doesn't matter if they suck at mechanics when they melt things like butter. It would slow leveling drastically if they updated old dungeons to the current Trust system.
    They only go up to 60. No one cares about leveling 60. People care about leveling to 80, which Trusts give accessibility to without waiting. If Trusts were as fast, yeah DPS would be the new permanent adventurer in need.
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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Behemoth
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasikko View Post
    I had been saying it for a while now that I think they were just prototypes for the Trust system.
    This is the right answer. They were an AI test for trusts.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  10. #30
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    Kalise Relanah
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasikko View Post
    They only go up to 60. No one cares about leveling 60. People care about leveling to 80, which Trusts give accessibility to without waiting. If Trusts were as fast, yeah DPS would be the new permanent adventurer in need.
    HW:

    PotD leveled you up to 60.

    PotD was the fastest way to level DPS jobs.

    Adventurer in Need: Tank

    StB:

    HoH leveled you up to 70

    HoH was the fastest way to level DPS jobs

    Adventurer in Need: Tank
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