Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SieyaM]

I think two shiny new playable models would make the game very attractive, plsu a lot of people who see the genderlocks as sexism (I dont think it is personally) will also be happy and likely return. Then again, maybe theyre gonna do something else. In 2 daqys theres that developer blog series thing, maybe there we can hopefully learn something

I don't think the developers had any kind of sexist intent but it is noticeable that they chose big manly men cats and slim sexual bunny women for their new races. Adding the other sides of these two races though would bring people that are feeling alienated by the current choices.

[SturmChurro]

I think two shiny new playable models would make the game very attractive, plsu a lot of people who see the genderlocks as sexism (I dont think it is personally) will also be happy and likely return. Then again, maybe theyre gonna do something else. In 2 daqys theres that developer blog series thing, maybe there we can hopefully learn something

Yeah! Hopefully about viera hairstyles and a hrothgar update. I couldn't care less about male viera/female hrothgar before that. It's not even your fabled 6.0 yet.

[Bright-Flower]

I don't think the developers had any kind of sexist intent but it is noticeable that they chose big manly men cats and slim sexual bunny women for their new races. Adding the other sides of these two races though would bring people that are feeling alienated by the current choices.

Yeah, I think it's not so much sexism so much as trying to play to demographics. Male only races tend to be big and burly, female only races slender and curvy. Just look at the prior examples. Roes and Miqo'te (as well as their FFXI equivalents) you had the big strong burly male only race and the cute cat girls. This also extended to highlanders, the bigger and buffer male hyur, where females only had the more slender and dainty midlanders in 1.0. You can sort of see this too in the dimorphism of the au ra.

Given the past portrayals of viera though, if the had to do the gender spliting in order to do two races, it does make sense to focus on female viera and males from the other race. Imagine the viera fan reaction if the genders were the other way around.

Personally I think I would have just gone with male and female viera, but had the male viera be more beastly than the females, to fit the 'beast race' and the 'viera popular request' races at the same time without locking out race/gender options. Sure you'd get complaints from people that don't want that sort of dimorphism, but it could have worked I think.

In theory I'm all in favor of female hrothgar/male viera being added but only if the dev team is able to actually do it without half assing it or forcing the dev team into unhealthy crunch periods.

[reivaxe]

Given the past portrayals of viera though, if the had to do the gender spliting in order to do two races, it does make sense to focus on female viera and males from the other race. Imagine the viera fan reaction if the genders were the other way around.

There is no more thought needed on the matter than this.

Viera were the most demanded race for this game, devs sound like they were just browbeaten into adding them if they could only add 1 more race. But Viera are literally only depicted as female so safe to say most people asking for them wanted that. Beastly race was also highly demanded and what they wanted to add so they did both. Are they gonna add 2 female only races? Nope. And look at the line up of races ... there's definitely room for a big, heroic body type. So we got Hrothgar.

Pretty simple, if you wanna do both Viera and a beastly type race then the female option is already taken up by Viera ... and unless you shatter everyone's bunny girl dreams by making Viera a straight up Beastly bunny race you're gonna have to make the beastly race something else. It's not about sexism at all, this game didn't and still doesn't need more attractive or cute "human+" races running around. They tried to make people begging for Viera happy and that sucks up the one slot for a female as they're depicted as a female only race.

After seeing how everything played out I wish we had gotten just the full Hrothgar race full stop but what's done is done and I'm left wanting Female Hrothgar the same as other folks in this thread are wanting boibuns. :/

[SieyaM]

Yeah, I think it's not so much sexism so much as trying to play to demographics. Male only races tend to be big and burly, female only races slender and curvy. Just look at the prior examples. Roes and Miqo'te (as well as their FFXI equivalents) you had the big strong burly male only race and the cute cat girls. This also extended to highlanders, the bigger and buffer male hyur, where females only had the more slender and dainty midlanders in 1.0. You can sort of see this too in the dimorphism of the au ra.

Given the past portrayals of viera though, if the had to do the gender spliting in order to do two races, it does make sense to focus on female viera and males from the other race. Imagine the viera fan reaction if the genders were the other way around.

Personally I think I would have just gone with male and female viera, but had the male viera be more beastly than the females, to fit the 'beast race' and the 'viera popular request' races at the same time without locking out race/gender options. Sure you'd get complaints from people that don't want that sort of dimorphism, but it could have worked I think.

In theory I'm all in favor of female hrothgar/male viera being added but only if the dev team is able to actually do it without half assing it or forcing the dev team into unhealthy crunch periods.

For all the talk of this outcry for a more beastly race to play in XIV, Hrothgar are still among the least played in the game. I think there was a small community of very vocal players that ended up deciding for the majority.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

For all the talk of this outcry for a more beastly race to play in XIV, Hrothgar are still among the least played in the game. I think there was a small community of very vocal players that ended up deciding for the majority.

I mean, just because there is now a beast race in the game that doesn't mean its gonna be all super popular and bloody everyone is gonna be playing it.
Even with more customization options its only gonna appeal to a group of people. Same with all the races. Even the Viera.

[SieyaM]

I mean, just because there is now a beast race in the game that doesn't mean its gonna be all super popular and bloody everyone is gonna be playing it.
Even with more customization options its only gonna appeal to a group of people. Same with all the races. Even the Viera.

But to be one of the least played sounds like it was a waste of time and resources for something that most players didn't want and won't use. If anyone has the numbers they can correct me but I believe Hrothgar players are less than even 10% of players right now, which is an abysmal number for a new race only a little less than half way through their debut expansion.

[reivaxe]

For all the talk of this outcry for a more beastly race to play in XIV, Hrothgar are still among the least played in the game.

So?
They're more popular as a solo male only race than the males and females of the only other big beefy race in the game combined and last I checked they were more popular than male Elezen.

Which would make it ... Femroe->FemElezen->Roebros->MaleElezen->Hrothgar.

Not bad at all for the first and only beast race in a game like this.

But to be one of the least played sounds like it was a waste of time and resources for something that most players didn't want and won't use..

That's not why you make a new race. You add new races to add diversity and to fill in gaps in your line up so that people have more ways to express themselves. Can't force people to take to new races, can't know how popular they will be, can only give them the option and know that the game's health and game WORLD is better off for it.

Look at that line up of race groups that are less popular than Hrothgar. Would the game be better off in anyway if they and Hrothgar all disappeared and the devs didn't have to "waste" resources on them? Would it improve immersion or visual diversity to not have them around?
"Most players" don't need to pick up a new race for it to be worthy of being added.

[SturmChurro]

SE more than makes up for a bit less popular hrothgar in fantasia sales to change the hair.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

But to be one of the least played sounds like it was a waste of time and resources for something that most players didn't want and won't use. If anyone has the numbers they can correct me but I believe Hrothgar players are less than even 10% of players right now, which is an abysmal number for a new race only a little less than half way through their debut expansion.

No, a waste of time and resources was Eureka. (#totallynotsalty)

And if there was a demand for it, then it sounds like alot of people wanted it. Plus as @Reivaxe said, and even YoshiP said; the beast race was put in to add Diversity.
Among 6 or 7 Human Faced races, we have 1 playable Beast Race. Diversity. And who knows, time will tell if the additions they said were coming to the race will make it more popular or not. Even if the Hrothgar dont see a big Spike in popularity, it was still a good idea to include them to give even that small niche audience something they would like.

SE more than makes up for a bit less popular hrothgar in fantasia sales to change the hair.

I hope the new hair happens along with a fix on the Hairdresser soon enough so this meme can die XD