Can I report people for buying multiple houses?

[ERMITANYO]

No need, just focus on decorating your own residence.

[Big_Bap]

I'm not certain that point is relevant because it could just as easily be someone that is paying subscriptions for family members. For example, my retired mother has grown quite keen watching me play, so it looks like I'll be getting her a subscription.

You're the one bringing irrelevant hypothetical scenarios, I'm only pointing out that SE encourages players to do so. Try harder?

[Penthea]

I'm not certain that point is relevant because it could just as easily be someone that is paying subscriptions for family members. For example, my retired mother has grown quite keen watching me play, so it looks like I'll be getting her a subscription.

This feature is there for the convenience of a person paying for multiple subs for multiple people, and so parents can have more control over the accounts of their children. Just because it also enables a person to manage multiple accounts of their own, that only they use, does not mean that this was the intention behind it.

But we got some people whose mindset is "if I'm able to do something, it must mean that this is what it is for" because they will grasp at any reason to avoid being held accountable when their activities negatively affect someone else.

I'm sure I'm going to get some lovely responses to this. Well those of you who want to respond because what I say goes against how you think things work...I have heard all your arguments before and you have heard all of mine. I have nothing more to add than what I already said to you many times before in this thread or others similar to this. Neither of us will back down. I'm not going to get baited into a back and forth of pointless debates again.

[Tohe-Spidhire]

This feature is there for the convenience of a person paying for multiple subs for multiple people, and so parents can have more control over the accounts of their children. Just because it also enables a person to manage multiple accounts of their own, that only they use, does not mean that this was the intention behind it.

But we got some people whose mindset is "if I'm able to do something, it must mean that this is what it is for" because they will grasp at any reason to avoid being held accountable when their activities negatively affect someone else.

I'm sure I'm going to get some lovely responses to this. Well those of you who want to respond because what I say goes against how you think things work...I have heard all your arguments before and you have heard all of mine. I have nothing more to add than what I already said to you many times before in this thread or others similar to this. Neither of us will back down. I'm not going to get baited into a back and forth of pointless debates again.

Oh, sure. I knew what you had meant. It's like when there's a game bug that needs fixing, and people (er, children) exploit the hell out of it, saying, "But that's how the game was designed; I'm just playing the game."

But you can't argue that SE provides the service in order to entice what is essentially overuse of the game (i.e., a single player getting so enthusiastic with their space time, that they maintain multiple accounts).

I was aware that the common usage would be for parents paying for their childrens' subscriptions; I merely cited my mother's example because it's a twist on this.

Anyhoo, the main point is that a minority of people exploit game mechanics to buy multiple houses, without concern for the inconvenience to other players (i.e., zero availability to obtain the plot that one considers good for how they would like to play). And unless SE introduces a means of spawning wards to accomodate demand, then it is quite plain that SE Sales set up this situation intentionally, and don't want to change it because they know they can sucker (er, lock) people into maintaining their subscriptions.

[Penthea]

Oh, sure. I knew what you had meant. It's like when there's a game bug that needs fixing, and people (er, children) exploit the hell out of it, saying, "But that's how the game was designed; I'm just playing the game."

But you can't argue that SE provides the service in order to entice what is essentially overuse of the game (i.e., a single player getting so enthusiastic with their space time, that they maintain multiple accounts).

Yea I don't deny it, I just don't think it's an excuse to go crazy hoarding with houses. I really hope SE allows alts to have access to the same private home as a main soon. That would at least reduce the incentive to hoard somewhat.

Anyhoo, the main point is that a minority of people exploit game mechanics to buy multiple houses, without concern for the inconvenience to other players (i.e., zero availability to obtain the plot that one considers good for how they would like to play). And unless SE introduces a means of spawning wards to accomodate demand, then it is quite plain that SE Sales set up this situation intentionally, and don't want to change it because they know they can sucker (er, lock) people into maintaining their subscriptions.

While I would think it would be great for wards to be created on demand, that would result in people complaining about something else; very few mediums and mansions. Ideally all plots should be able to have any house size you want but SE would have to create brand new wards to do this.

That being said, once again I say that proper instanced housing would fix all the issues surrounding acquisition as well as getting your desired plot size and location. But at this point it's just a dream. The Ishgard rebuild looks like more of the same, so far.

[Tohe-Spidhire]

While I would think it would be great for wards to be created on demand, that would result in people complaining about something else; very few mediums and mansions. Ideally all plots should be able to have any house size you want but SE would have to create brand new wards to do this.

That being said, once again I say that proper instanced housing would fix all the issues surrounding acquisition as well as getting your desired plot size and location. But at this point it's just a dream. The Ishgard rebuild looks like more of the same, so far.

Out of curiosity, I skim the available housing, and observe that small plots come available a few times per week. They're snatched up within hours, which is probably why some people are given the impression that there is never anything available. But as I've said before, if you look at the ratio of S:M:L being 20/7/3 per ward, it's obvious that the system is skewed towards small plot availability, never mind the price differences.

An easy solution would be to remove the restrictions on number of gardens per plot, the workshop restriction, and the ability to have private chambers within your house. However, with respect to garden and workshop restrictions, something that occurs to me is that the increased availability of crops, and doing airship quests (to get rewards) would have a marketboard impact, affecting the rarity of items.

[Illy_Peridot]

An "issue" that strangely coincides with the end of the moratorium on personal housing.

To me, it looks like they had no good metrics and decided to play it safe. If they didn't want people to "own an absurd amount" of FC houses, they would have done something about it a long time ago since players have been doing it since 2.1

Personal housing is an entire different thing. There are over 700,000 players that are active enough and qualify to purchase a house, compared to slightly over 100,000 FCs. It's quite obvious that personal housing is the problem when there's slightly more than 350,000 plots and it is most likely why the temporary restriction is only effective for personal housing. Not to mention that personal housing is inherently inferior to FC housing and that FC housing isn't as easily obtainable as spending 20$ to get a boosted character. Oh by the way, Square Enix encourages players to use more than 1 service account because they allow you to stack them on the same SE account.

In your own words,

Just as much as I'm assuming things on whatever might have caused them to silently revert the changes, you are too. I'm also not going to argue that personal housing is the core issue in this because it has always been so from the start (which is why I'm infinitely angry that they didn't implement separate housing for it as they said they would years ago). Point is people with multiple FC houses as you are do nothing to help ease the burden of this issue - why do you even need so many? What's the point besides the petty reason you listed on your website? Do you intend to hold them and hand them out to needy FCs when they come around in search of a house?

also being able to use multiple service accounts on a singular SE account is usually a perk I see couples take advantage of to streamline managing their subscription.

[Big_Bap]

Just as much as I'm assuming things on whatever might have caused them to silently revert the changes, you are too. I'm also not going to argue that personal housing is the core issue in this because it has always been so from the start (which is why I'm infinitely angry that they didn't implement separate housing for it as they said they would years ago). Point is people with multiple FC houses as you are do nothing to help ease the burden of this issue - why do you even need so many? What's the point besides the petty reason you listed on your website? Do you intend to hold them and hand them out to needy FCs when they come around in search of a house?

also being able to use multiple service accounts on a singular SE account is usually a perk I see couples take advantage of to streamline managing their subscription.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but contrary to you, I'm not implying that Square Enix is so incompetent that they haven't been able come up with a solution in the last 2 years since they removed the restriction, but go on, evade the subject since you're arguments are weak. Players with multiple FC houses tend to use them a lot more in comparison to players with personal housing because they offer a lot more. It really isn't difficult to figure that out and using houses to access gated content isn't nearly as "petty" as all the hypocrites who can't even be bothered to even enter their house on a weekly basis.

Regarding service accounts, SE has been encouraging players to multibox since ff xi. Might want to start looking at facts over figuring out reasons that stick to your agenda.

[ERMITANYO]

SE did not take into consideration that players might become greedy that is why the rules in FC housing is/was very lenient. SE probably thought that players would also think of their fellow players with respect to purchasing housing plots. I just hope that alternatives to plotted housing it being considered a limited resource, will be implemented by SE as an asthetically and functionally acceptable starter home for players.

[PewPewPewPewPew]

the same people always rush to the defense of owning multiple plots because they themselves do it. they just come onto these threads to stir the pot and talk condescendingly down to the rest of us.

I'm late to the party and there is so much to get through. This is gonna get long, so if you hate long,

TL;DR I buy LOTS of houses but I feel I have taken the time to make arguments I feel are valid and meaningful to the general conversation around housing.

I would like to kindly point out that the OP is actually a multi-FC house owner themselves. The irony which is that they are wanting to report someone who also owns multiple homes. I guess as this person said in their original post, the person they wanted to report told them how to make more FC's so they went and made one too. A quick profile search and a google-cache search will show you that he was in fact the owner of the alternative FC before handing it off to another person to hide it's presence. Of course, I have no problem with this personally because I too am a multi-house buyer/owner.

Which brings me to my next point:

I am one of the handful of 'despised' multi-house owners who own around 30 plots total on another server. I'm sure you are wondering why I'm here posting on an ALT but it's quite simple. There is a rabid mob out to get anyone who owns more houses than technically possible via normal means and quite frankly I don't want to deal with harassment. However, I would like to make some valid points to this post in hopes that it will carry over into the conversations that come after this. There are several things that have yet to be properly addressed.

Although I said "own" 30 houses, the reality is that I have made an alt FC with a home attached to hand off to each of my 30 FC members. Every FC member has been given an additional home to fill in for their second home on their service account. This means every member has two homes, as the standard requirements 'allow'. So 30 members with 2 homes makes for 60 homes, including myself with two. We have all dedicated our secondary homes to the FC (30 total) for workshop purposes, gardening, and general decorating when we have time. Based on the arguments of numerous individuals in this thread so far and most all threads up until now, this is allowed "by the rules". As mentioned earlier about the OP, this user has also done the same thing by transferring an FC home to someone who does not have an FC home but is part of an FC that already has a home. Thus fulfilling their two-house requirement and that makes it technically OK.

(Continued in next post for length)