I wish AST never had a DPS buff

[Averax]

Everyone wanted the balance, but it was a trap

Seriously, the old balance is why the system is the way it is today.

[Seoulstar]

Everyone wanted the balance, but it was a trap

Seriously, the old balance is why the system is the way it is today.

The vocal minority is the reason honestly. Implying that every AST to ever main the job was just fishing for balance and nothing else when in reality most of us used what we got and the fact we never truly knew what we were going to get was what made it intriguing.

[Nerael]

The vocal minority is the reason honestly. Implying that every AST to ever main the job was just fishing for balance and nothing else when in reality most of us used what we got and the fact we never truly knew what we were going to get was what made it intriguing.

I really have to agree with this.
It always depended on the party for me. Bad tank? You bet your booty id be spamming those bole cards on them.
"But balance was better!"
No, I could fish forever for the balance card or i could use the one i was given, giving me more breathing room to DPS which overall would even out to the same amount (fishing for balance) at the end of the run.

Really the only thing i skipped over was generally the arrow card when there was a BLM as it messed up their rotation due to the way mana ticks work.
Everything had it's situational uses.

Yes, you might've pulled some bad cards at bad moments, but that just made it oh so much sweeter when you did pull that card you wanted.

Want to reduce the RNG? Fine, bring back the old system and let us hold a second card (and effect), reduce the potencies to mitigate the lesser RNG and voila.
Spire is useless now? Fine turn it into a time bomb AOE around the tank or something. There are so much possibilities and yet... we get the most limited one.

[Risvertasashi]

The vocal minority is the reason honestly. Implying that every AST to ever main the job was just fishing for balance and nothing else when in reality most of us used what we got and the fact we never truly knew what we were going to get was what made it intriguing.

It's easy to claim this retroactively.

Every log I reviewed of high end AST players as balance, balance, balance. If another card got played, it was because their RNG wasn't playing nice. Not to mention the complaint that old versions of spear and arrow weren't useful, leading to them being changed to DPS buffs, albeit lesser ones, even before the expac.

[Sebazy]

It's easy to claim this retroactively.

Every log I reviewed of high end AST players as balance, balance, balance. If another card got played, it was because their RNG wasn't playing nice. Not to mention the complaint that old versions of spear and arrow weren't useful, leading to them being changed to DPS buffs, albeit lesser ones, even before the expac.

I've mentioned it a few times, but Bole did have it's little niche, granted that it was indeed very little and very very niche

My favourite example is A12S, I entirely solo healed the add phase and getting a bole allowed my warrior to not putting up tank stance for their add. Whilst it's fair to say that it wasn't particularly optimal play once you start factoring in combined DPS, it helped my Warrior's DPS a healthy amount and was enough to net my co healer the highest DPS by a SCH in A12S by a healthy margin at the time, enough so that it was only ever beaten by literally 2.2 DPS.

The card had potential IMHO and if SE had looked at allowing ASTs some way of countering the RNG, perhaps at a cost of GCDs I think it could have opened up more uses for the card, especially with it being as strong as it was and tank stances working the way they did back then.

I suspect it's a bit moot now though, with the way things are now it'd likely only ever find value as a way to abuse or skip a mechanic.

[Risvertasashi]

I've mentioned it a few times, but Bole did have it's little niche, granted that it was indeed very little and very very niche

My favourite example is A12S, I entirely solo healed the add phase and getting a bole allowed my warrior to not putting up tank stance for their add. Whilst it's fair to say that it wasn't particularly optimal play once you start factoring in combined DPS, it helped my Warrior's DPS a healthy amount and was enough to net my co healer the highest DPS by a SCH in A12S by a healthy margin at the time, enough so that it was only ever beaten by literally 2.2 DPS.

The card had potential IMHO and if SE had looked at allowing ASTs some way of countering the RNG, perhaps at a cost of GCDs I think it could have opened up more uses for the card, especially with it being as strong as it was and tank stances working the way they did back then.

I suspect it's a bit moot now though, with the way things are now it'd likely only ever find value as a way to abuse or skip a mechanic.

Fair enough. Just I feel the post-5.0 claims trying to downplay the balance card's popularity are misleading.

[Sebazy]

Fair enough. Just I feel the post-5.0 claims trying to downplay the balance card's popularity are misleading.

Agreed there, it had little to no value in any mainstream content that I can think of. Using it to replace tank cool downs was usually an exercise in futility and over complication. Even in big dungeon pulls you were typically better off macroing it off to avoid stalling your GCD or even better, just going in as a SCH in the first place

[Seoulstar]

Fair enough. Just I feel the post-5.0 claims trying to downplay the balance card's popularity are misleading.

A bit of a late response..but I was not trying to downplay balance. I know it was a popular card. But what I don't agree with is how people are going as if it was the only card AST mains wanted and had a balance or bust mentality. Also yes, spear and arrow were changed. But arrow could be used for other ways than DPS. For instance, when things got a bit hectic, I loved using an enhanced arrow on myself to get my heals off faster.

There was so much you could do with the old cards, but now it's just balance balance balance. Yes, there were people in high end content that had the balance or bust mentality and felt that RNGesus hated them because they weren't constantly getting balance. But those people were not the entire AST community as a whole. If they were, then SE would have got much better response to the card changes. With that being said, I am glad some are happy with just getting balance. But for far too many it was a terrible decision that made many drop the class.

[Rai_Takara]

It's easy to claim this retroactively.

Every log I reviewed of high end AST players as balance, balance, balance. If another card got played, it was because their RNG wasn't playing nice. Not to mention the complaint that old versions of spear and arrow weren't useful, leading to them being changed to DPS buffs, albeit lesser ones, even before the expac.

Exactly, top ASTs were doing it because it was the best option. It wasn't really a vocal minority that pushed for this, it was the raiding community as a whole and SE saw the writing on the wall.

One thing I do notice from all these healer suggestions is, usually people aren't sure what they want. They just want something different. However, if I recall correctly, this has always been the case on these forums, even during the supposed "good" times. I understand people want healing to be different but perhaps SE has decided this is how healing will forever be.

[Kalise]

Everyone wanted the balance, but it was a trap

Now all I can think of is some Yu-Gi-Oh style scenario happening:

Boss: *Attacks Tank*

AST: "Hah! You've activated my trap card! I summon 100 Kuriboh Snurbles to block the attack!"

Tank: "Wait, what?" *Gets covered in Snurbles*

AST: "Now, watch, as I sacrifice the remaining Snurbles to summon my White-Eyes Blue Dragon!"

AST: *Whispers to party* "Hey, SMN, can I borrow your Bahamut for like 5 minutes?"

SMN: "Uhh... I guess? I was going to summon him anyway..."

AST: "Prepare to face your final end, as I now have all the cards I need to summon my White-Eyes ULTIMATE DRAGON!!!!"

*Summons Big Midgarsormr*

*Causes a Calamity*

Entire Party: *Sigh*