It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Zabuza]

And some people's insistence on freedom of choice "trumps their empathy" for others who feel differently about the situation and have explained that they do feel unhappy, if not actually hurt, about the prospect of others having control over how their character is presented.

It goes both ways, and it seems like the people in favour put no value in others' explanations of why they wouldn't feel unaffected by it, and just keep repeating "nobody would be affected".

People on both sides can be arguing for what they consider to be empathetic.

This argument is unfortunately not equivalent. We do empathize with that you want to express your character freely. We're not preventing you from doing that. Of course it has already been said.

If the glamour toggle actually changed your clothing server side then you would be correct in saying that we do not emphasize and the two sides would be logically equivalent in their opposition. However, as it stands it is not because one side doesn't give a rat's behind if keeping things as they are makes someone uncomfortable or hurts them whereas the side that supports the feature is still trying to account for the user's preferences to express themselves. One side is showing empathy while the other isn't. One side is offering a compromise while the other is unwilling to budge even an inch to compromise. You can't be hurt because you wouldn't even know it's happening unless by some freak .001% chance someone takes a screenshot who enabled the toggle and you come across it.

[Iscah]

This argument is unfortunately not equivalent. We do empathize with that you want to express your character freely. We're not preventing you from doing that. Of course it has already been said.

You're "not preventing my choice" only by your definition. As I have tried to explain, there are two ways of feeling about that.

It's an unwinnable argument because if I say "yes I feel affected by you changing my character on your screen" you just declare my opinion invalid. There's nothing wrong and I'm really not affected at all.

How do I possibly refute that, IF my point is valid and the person rejecting it is wrong?



(Now I am out of this argument for now because I really need to be doing real-world important things.)

[Arillyn]

I have a more technical question (or questions). How does this work? Say SE says okay we'll implement this toggle.

Does it only work for people who are actually glamoured? If so, like I said previously I have an alt that is currently wearing the coliseum gear because it's best for her level right now. It's not glamoured. You'll still see me in a metal bikini.

What is the default? Basic AF gear for that job? If so not everyone who glamours is at level to even wear it themselves. Maybe that part doesn't matter I don't know.

Those just popped in my head.

[Awha]

I have a more technical question (or questions). How does this work? Say SE says okay we'll implement this toggle.

Does it only work for people who are actually glamoured? If so, like I said previously I have an alt that is currently wearing the coliseum gear because it's best for her level right now. It's not glamoured. You'll still see me in a metal bikini.

What is the default? Basic AF gear for that job? If so not everyone who glamours is at level to even wear it themselves. Maybe that part doesn't matter I don't know.

Those just popped in my head.

Personally I think the easiest way would be if you enable the feature it puts everyone in AF gear or some basic black robe. Though I do think I would be in the minority but I am a lalafell that uses the frog and pig suit regularly so my sense of style leaves much to be desired.

[Arillyn]

Personally I think the easiest way would be if you enable the feature it puts everyone in AF gear or some basic black robe. Though I do think I would be in the minority but I am a lalafell that uses the frog and pig suit regularly so my sense of style leaves much to be desired.

Yea that would probably be the easiest way for them to do it. I think if SE does this though I think everyone should just be in the frog suit! Personally every time I see someone in a CS in the frog suit it makes me grin lol.