It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Lauront]

Again you assume ALL news outlets view it as you do and as we see even within this thread the perspective on it is wide and varied. Some people still see it as just an option and the percent of people even in this thread viewing it as "bigoted" is small. Sure some more liberal perspectives might take your stance, but there are all kinds on the net, it will likely not be quite as widely one side polarized as you think.

I'll be surprised if most press outfits even make that connection, as it mainly seems to be used to try malign the suggestion in terms most people deem negative. I don't even see how it really applies in this case, i.e. how not wanting to see certain imaginary characters is "bigoted", but whatever. Most outlets did not comment in these terms on the missing genders, where there was more room for such an agenda to be inserted, to the extent that they did it had no real impact on the game's success and besides, those that do tend to frame things in this way have a... reputation, and I can bet taking such a stance will help further drive that reputation into its natural downwards trajectory.

[Granyala]

there are options I've proposed myself that circumvent that such as
-defaulting to AF gear appropriate for the level
-having a standardized generic set for each job that meets a certain "decency" standard"
-replacing your character entirely so it wouldn't be you wearing whatever outfit.

All of the above directly undermines the whole point of character customization.
Replacing my character entirely? What the hell are you smoking... must be good, I want some too.

You see it as restrictions when players not using the option would have NO limitations on their gameplay or visuals. It is an option for a client side change that nobody but the user would see.

It's a restiction in the sense that I lose control over how my character is displayed, yes. Doesn't matter whether I see it or not. I don't dress Ifalna a certain way because >I< want to see her that way, I also do it, so OTHERS see her the same way. It's a 50/50 split, I would say. YMMV.

You assume people don't want to see something because it "offends" them on some moral level. For a lot of us we just think it's ugly or undesireable. While we should never TELL someone what we think of them negatively without them specifically asking for it, people are welcome to have personal tastes.

Eh not just morally, no. As I already stated: I too find bikini tanks immersion breaking and nonsensical. Still I would not ask for a filter function because, to be frank: it is not my place to ask such a thing. Many people clearly enjoy the freedom and they should continue to do so. After all: it's just a game.

Now about that filter for ugly real life "outfits" ....

[Krotoan]

All of the above directly undermines the whole point of character customization.
Replacing my character entirely? What the hell are you smoking... must be good, I want some too.

Does it? The whole point of character creation for me in any game is so I like how the character(s) look. It's nice when someone else sees those character and gives a compliment but I really couldn't care less what other people are seeing on their screen. What matters to me is if I like how it looks.

There was a poster who's biggest problem was that THEIR customized character was being misrepresented and if it could be replaced with a placeholder, something that could never be said to be their character, they wouldn't care if someone had that option. Different problems different solutions.
The only thing I'm "on" right now is empathy and problem solving. Trying to see the problem from the perspective of it's opponents and solving for their concerns.

It's a restiction in the sense that I lose control over how my character is displayed, yes. Doesn't matter whether I see it or not. I don't dress Ifalna a certain way because >I< want to see her that way, I also do it, so OTHERS see her the same way. It's a 50/50 split, I would say. YMMV.

If your demand is that you have control over MY visuals on my computer then I have a problem. I don't play this game so that I'm at the mercy of everyone else who wishes to play when it comes to the environment. Sure since it's multiplayer I have to deal with differing playstyles and values when it comes to actual game mechanics like dungeons and marketboard prices, but I should not have to tolerate someone plastering their character in something obtuse or displeasing when the properties of a virtual world allow for concessions to be made.

So we come to the crux of your problem, you cannot stand even the idea that somewhere, someone MIGHT not be seeing your personal choice of glamours.
Why? If someone does not wish to see your particular choice of digital representation and were they allowed to criticize you without censor would immediately start spouting negatives, why must you still be on their screen? There is no physical law to be followed, this is a digital space and can make the impossible possible: They'll see what they want (or not see you at all) and you see what you want. They aren't causing ANY detriment to your experience except the THOUGHT of maybe not everyone in the world has to see what you've done.

WHY do you care that someone who doesn't want to see you, HAS to see you?

Eh not just morally, no. As I already stated: I too find bikini tanks immersion breaking and nonsensical. Still I would not ask for a filter function because, to be frank: it is not my place to ask such a thing. Many people clearly enjoy the freedom and they should continue to do so. After all: it's just a game.

Now about that filter for ugly real life "outfits" ....

It is always your place to expect or ask of a video game or virtual experience you are paying for and doing for the purpose of entertainment to allow for the best personal experience possible. It IS just a game and people saying that a request to customize that game experience with no noticeable effect to other players is literal bigotry is nonsensical. Nobody is calling any significant part of your actual life a bad choice or that you cannot do or be anything you want as a REAL person. At worst they are saying they do not wish to invite your personal entertainment choices into their homes.


and while your last line is a joke, it's the entire point of most of my arguments that trying to parallel or compare any part of this request to a real life counterpart is a non-sequitur. Real life has it's own rules and laws, natural and otherwise that affect the way we deal with others and ourselves. Carrying those same expectations into virtual space doesn't follow.

[Bright-Flower]

Why do you care so much, to the point of asking for the devs to implement this filter, if someone wears something you don't like? That you need a change to the game to avoid seeing it? You can avoid it the same way you can avoid differing play styles as you mentioned: Form a premade for duties if what other people do is THAT much of a concern to you.

[Fayt1203]

I have expressed my opinion on this but I have a little question. should this feature then not also change clothes on npc and bosses, its should be absurd that it's not okay to fight alongside people that some deem their outfit questible but its okay to fight against those who are dressed in a outfit that some people deem questionable ?


Also i saw some one said its not a battle ready outfits??

so its okey to fight a frog in a fine suit ( which is not battle ready outfit last time that i checked) with a violin but it's not okey to fight alongside a man in a frog suit

[Gula]

I have expressed my opinion on this but I have a little question. should this feature then not also change clothes on npc and bosses, its should be absurd that it's not okay to fight alongside people that some deem their outfit questible but its okay to fight against those who are dressed in a outfit that some people deem questionable ?


Also i saw some one said its not a battle ready outfits??

so its okey to fight a frog in a fine suit ( which is not battle ready outfit last time that i checked) with a violin but it's not okey to fight alongside a man in a frog suit

Someone brought this up already, but like, look at the main cast. Battle ready is entirely subjective when you see what NPCs wear. Like Ryne's thin little dress. Perfect for blood splatter amirite.

[Fayt1203]

Someone brought this up already, but like, look at the main cast. Battle ready is entirely subjective when you see what NPCs wear. Like Ryne's thin little dress. Perfect for blood splatter amirite.

I do apology then. i have not gone through all the pages so i did not know if it was asked or not

[Iscah]

I have expressed my opinion on this but I have a little question. should this feature then not also change clothes on npc and bosses, its should be absurd that it's not okay to fight alongside people that some deem their outfit questible but its okay to fight against those who are dressed in a outfit that some people deem questionable ?

You know, from a technical standpoint (depending on their spaghetti coding) it could actually possibly affect NPC appearances, especially if you set it to automatically put [job] into [job relic gear]...

[Gula]

I do apology then. i have not gone through all the pages so i did not know if it was asked or not

Nah it's good. This is over 130 pages, many of which are 3 people going back and forth.

[rachcouture]

Short answer: you can have this feature, but only if the players using it appear to everyone else as wearing an astral silk robe, subligar, sugarloaf hat, and crescent moon slippers so they all look just as ridiculous as their narrow world view.

Long answer: glamour is the only long-term value of gear in this game, and you're asking for a feature that removes the aspect entirely from every other player in view... for the sake of your own sensibilities? Seriously? I've read nearly half of this thread now and I still can't begin to comprehend the absurdity. Not only does it go against FFXIV's core reward design, but it also denies player agency, and spits in the face of personal expression to please a non-existent audience (there's, what, half a dozen people in this thread that actually want this feature?), qualities that define persistent online games.

An MMO mirrors reality in that it's a virtual world in which you'll encounter a wide variety of people, some of which you will adore, and others that you won't be able to stand. If the thought of another player having differing tastes in aesthetics perturbs you that much, then there's no reason for you to be playing an online game to begin with, or even stepping outside of your front door for that matter—life and diversity are, and will never be, mutually exclusive.