Open Letter to the Devs Regarding Eden's Verse: Reflugence [Spoilers]

[heiligeharmonie]

I’ve been progging E8S for a while now, and this thought literally never crossed my mind. This honestly sounds like it’s a personal problem/perception on your part, OP.

The fact that other people didn't notice a problem does not mean there isn't one. It just might mean you're not as well tuned to picking up these kinds of things.

I don't understand. When I was doing that fight, I just thought "oh wow they went all out" with the animations and Shiva's costume. Not to mention the voice acting surprised me, but a welcomed surprise! OP, are you sure you aren't the one with the dirty mind here?

You know, I probably shouldn't waste time typing an articulated response to a weak attempt against my own morality, but I see an opportunity to make a point.

Given the amount of crap on the internet and in media I've been exposed to over my life, I would have to say that in some aspects, I do have a dirty mind. I've seen and experienced things that result in stuff like this jumping out at me when I see it. I'm a woman who has grown up in a sea of commercialism, who was taught that I'm responsible for how others see by body, and that I shouldn't dress certain ways if I don't want people to look at me a certain way.

And before anyone says I just contradicted myself with that last statement, I will point out I was a teenager (and am now an adult) with agency and the ability to chose whether I want to deal with how other people react my appearance. Ryne, as a fictional character, does not have that, so it falls to her creators to consider those things.

[VenKitsune]

The fact that other people didn't notice a problem does not mean there isn't one. It just might mean you're not as well tuned to picking up these kinds of things.

No, this means that it's a "You" problem, not a problem anyone else needs to think about. Has ANYONE in this thread shared your opinion? No? Is anyone forcing to play the game against your will? No? Well, then deal with it, simple as that.
FF14 is a work of fiction, and its entirely up to you if you enjoy it, and you shouldn't need to look for sympathy for something that really isn't a problem to begin with. Deal with it, move on, play it or don't play it, you've seen the reaction people have to to this in this very thread, SE won't do anything about it, and neither will they listen because ultimately you're not in the majority in your opinion.

One more thing i wanted to add - I'm personally attracted to those of the fairer sex, and not once did i ever think any of the things you mentioned. Would it be a problem if it was a young male character with large biceps as a boss? It's a fight, we're literally trying to kill her, not to butter her up and take her out on a date and book a room in a hotel for her. you're the one at fault for even opening this avenue of thought in the first place, before coming to this thread i never even viewed there to be anything remotely wrong with E8 in this regard, i would stop while you're ahead, you're not going to get anything out of this other than ridicule and snarky remarks, its just something you have to deal with, because as i said before, this sounds more like a personal issue than anything and ultimately not something worth discussing, as you'll notice, people on this thread aren't discussing the issue you've presented, but rather your perception of the "issue".

[heiligeharmonie]

No, this means that it's a "You" problem, not a problem anyone else needs to think about. Has ANYONE in this thread shared your opinion? No? Is anyone forcing to play the game against your will? No? Well, then deal with it, simple as that.
FF14 is a work of fiction, and its entirely up to you if you enjoy it, and you shouldn't need to look for sympathy for something that really isn't a problem to begin with. Deal with it, move on, play it or don't play it, you've seen the reaction people have to to this in this very thread, SE won't do anything about it, and neither will they listen because ultimately you're not in the majority in your opinion.

One more thing i wanted to add - I'm personally attracted to those of the fairer sex, and not once did i ever think any of the things you mentioned. Would it be a problem if it was a young male character with large biceps as a boss? It's a fight, we're literally trying to kill her, not to butter her up and take her out on a date and book a room in a hotel for her. you're the one at fault for even opening this avenue of thought in the first place, before coming to this thread i never even viewed there to be anything remotely wrong with E8 in this regard, i would stop while you're ahead, you're not going to get anything out of this other than ridicule and snarky remarks, its just something you have to deal with, because as i said before, this sounds more like a personal issue than anything and ultimately not something worth discussing, as you'll notice, people on this thread aren't discussing the issue you've presented, but rather your perception of the "issue".

No one coming in to show support here does not mean they don't exist. Being a minority doesn't mean I'm wrong, nor does it guarantee the devs won't see my point, if they do end up seeing my letter.

I didn't post here looking for support from the community, nor did I expect it here, given what I've been told about the forum and what I've seen myself in the past. I posted here because it was the best way I knew to attempt to get something in front of the devs. I considered it a long shot.

[VenKitsune]

No one coming in to show support here does not mean they don't exist. Being a minority doesn't mean I'm wrong, nor does it guarantee the devs won't see my point, if they do end up seeing my letter.

I didn't post here looking for support from the community, nor did I expect it here, given what I've been told about the forum and what I've seen myself in the past. I posted here because it was the best way I knew to attempt to get something in front of the devs. I considered it a long shot.

And you know what the devs see when they see this? The long line of posts from dozens of people disagreeing with you, and thus the devs will also think its a "you" problem because at the end of the day, if its not something that's got people in outrage, or something that people are requesting DAILY, they're not going to bother at all, because the amount of people that have had similar opinions to you and have been "offended" enough to publicly complain, i would likely be able to count on one hand. The only thing they'd think about in regards to this is if it affects the age rating of the game, which it wont, because again, her age is never stated and could easily pass as a young adult of short stature - Hell, OUR age is never stated and you can literally play as someone who looks like a toddler and run around a busy city in nothing but your underwear, did that affect the age rating? Did that get people in outrage? No, it didn't, so why would this do it?

[HyoMinPark]

No one coming in to show support here does not mean they don't exist. Being a minority doesn't mean I'm wrong, nor does it guarantee the devs won't see my point, if they do end up seeing my letter.

I didn't post here looking for support from the community, nor did I expect it here, given what I've been told about the forum and what I've seen myself in the past. I posted here because it was the best way I knew to attempt to get something in front of the devs. I considered it a long shot.

What matters when it comes to getting the developers’ attention is the number of “Likes” a post gets—basically the number of people that agree with a proposition made on here. They’ve gone on record before saying that they look at threads that have a lot of attention/“Likes” on the opening post. The NA Community Team passes on threads that meet those qualifications to the developers for review (the devs don’t really read NA/EU forums—can’t say the same for JP ones because of the lack of language barrier, but I wager they aren’t on there wading through threads that often during the work day). The Community Mods don’t actively send every request to them, nor do they really have time to do so. And the devs don’t have time to read every tiny complaint that falls on their desk, either.

If you wanted this heard, you would need support from the community to gain traction. Thus far, no one else is agreeing with your perceived issue. That’s why people keep telling you that it’s a YOU problem, not a problem with the E8 character model or with sexualizing a minor. Speaking for myself, I don’t even see the kind of stuff you posted in your opening post when it comes to any of the younger characters in this game. They’re just characters in a video game to me.

[HyoMinPark]

The fact that other people didn't notice a problem does not mean there isn't one. It just might mean you're not as well tuned to picking up these kinds of things.

So, basically what you’re saying is that I’m not as “well-tuned” at instantly sexualizing a virtual character for literally no reason and with very little provocation to do so?

As I said, a personal perception problem on your part.