Ruby Weapon Questline

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Some postings are a bit hypocritical. The pilots are most likely already dead once they enter the battlefield. If oversoul won't kill them during the fight, we probably will by finishing it. And if not, they die another way. Those kids are soldiers in a war - there is no hope left for them. Even if they don't mount a giant robot they will just send to another frontline or laboratory for 'the greater good'.

[Bhearil]

Some postings are a bit hypocritical. The pilots are most likely already dead once they enter the battlefield. If oversoul won't kill them during the fight, we probably will by finishing it. And if not, they die another way. Those kids are soldiers in a war - there is no hope left for them. Even if they don't mount a giant robot they will just send to another frontline or laboratory for 'the greater good'.

Well Gaius did survive Ultima weapon being destroyed(plus the exploding base to boot). Oversoul is the fantasy version of a suicide atack since it feeds on the pilot life.

Theres a difference between "might die" and "will die" on the battlefield otherwise barely no one would become a soldier if it would be a death warrant 100% of the time. The pilots here are basically human experiments to test and improve the new Ultima prototypes so either they win always or they die (and in some cases both)

[Pepsi_Plunge]

Well Gaius did survive Ultima weapon being destroyed(plus the exploding base to boot).

True, but Gaius is a hard boiled super soldier, not a kid in uniform. Any lower man or woman wouldn't probably survive what Gaius survived.

Theres a difference between "might die" and "will die" on the battlefield otherwise barely no one would become a soldier if it would be a death warrant 100% of the time.

Well, it's not like they all have a choice. And in war, there a lot of moments were sacrifices are made for a "greater good" or just because by the arrogance of a general or whatever. So I think it's still hypocritical to be shocked about the sacrifice of an enemy pilot when we have single-handedly killed thousends of soldiers ourself, most of them just beeing send to defend something we want to destroy. It's not like we've cared much in the past about all those pilots in their magitek-machines if they died or survived when we destroyed them.

[MrThinker]

True, but Gaius is a hard boiled super soldier, not a kid in uniform. Any lower man or woman wouldn't probably survive what Gaius survived.


Well, it's not like they all have a choice. And in war, there a lot of moments were sacrifices are made for a "greater good" or just because by the arrogance of a general or whatever. So I think it's still hypocritical to be shocked about the sacrifice of an enemy pilot when we have single-handedly killed thousends of soldiers ourself, most of them just beeing send to defend something we want to destroy. It's not like we've cared much in the past about all those pilots in their magitek-machines if they died or survived when we destroyed them.

I think the point is that we are not shocked by the 'sacrifice' but that said sacrifice was most likely much more painful and prolonged than the swift deaths that we and other soldiers would mete out against opponents, even if said opponents were driving magitek machina.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I think the point is that we are not shocked by the 'sacrifice' but that said sacrifice was most likely much more painful and prolonged than the swift deaths that we and other soldiers would mete out against opponents, even if said opponents were driving magitek machina.

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, we've boiled people alive in our flamethrowers, slowed them down by freezing them and killed them slowly with poison DoTs. We propably could and did much worse to them then Ruby would. And if those weapons are somewhat 'humane', the pilot wouldn't feel anything anyway in oversoul thanks to anesthetic injections or something like that.

[LystAP]

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, we've boiled people alive in our flamethrowers, slowed them down by freezing them and killed them slowly with poison DoTs. We propably could and did much worse to them then Ruby would. And if those weapons are somewhat 'humane', the pilot wouldn't feel anything anyway in oversoul thanks to anesthetic injections or something like that.

If I recall, Cid was very explicit that the pilot was in horrible pain.