Ocean fishing is horribly designed

[reivaxe]

Besides attacking them. Do you believe the content will be relevant all the way to even the next patch without an overhaul? They shouldn't have called it pointless. If the content is doomed to be dead down the road, then a dungeon is better. It at least gives you a different thing to stair at during a roulette.

Uhh, what labels something as "dead content"?

Cause I could say the same about 24men raids, they become hella hard to pop the next expac. Should they be dropped in favor of more meh dngs just cause "it's something new to look at later (if you're one of those people who do roulette. I personally avoid rerunning old dngs lvl synced)".

Also ...

Colour me surprised, they took away 1 dungeon and gave us this pointless feature that will be more dead than eureka or squadrons.

This is wrong, Eureka is actually still fairly active when new content slows and Squads became trust.
I recently got my friends into Eureka to get their glow sticks and I completed 1.5 weapons with lil effort in decently populated instances. And trust are a godsend.

The point of this ocean fishing content seems to be to act as both a platform for them to add new stuff to later on AND as a means to draw more attention to fishing for those who had no interest in it before by making it a fast track for leveling (like the restoration stuff). I've played this game for years and today was the first time I EVER touched fishing. I legit had it unlocked but never did the first quest until today. It was the same for crafting with the restoration, before that I struggled to push any of them up to 30 and now I'm sitting here making new HQ armor for myself.

It's fine to be disappointed with something but I does seem like the type of thing more so aimed at getting new people interested and up-to-speed before making more interesting stuff later.

[Alleo]

Having finished my second run just tonight, I thought I did kinda okay! I listened to some advice to use certain baits in certain locations and doubled my score of last time. 'Nice', was all I could think. But not my friends. I heard one cuss that he missed a cast at the end and could've gotten an even higher score. Furthermore, I noticed this 'party score' button at the score list at the end... and found myself at the bottom. Now I didn't really care for the scoring, but I did feel bad about having the lowest score, because I thought that affected everyone's score.

And here lies my biggest qualm with ocean fishing. It's not the relaxing, sea-faring adventure I had hoped it would be, but has degenerated into some score-slogging party effort that I feel may be prone to harassment if you don't 'perform'.

Thats my problem with it too. I honestly thought it would be something else. Maybe some kind of longer voyage without those scores where you can fish, talk with others, relax a bit if you want to look at the landscapes and to maybe have a bit of random events. How awesome would it have been if you are there relaxing and fishing and suddenly pirates attack the boat. Now you have to defend the ship by using its weapon or have certain attacks ready. Or instead of pirates it could have been a sea monster. Or instead of an attack its just really bad weather. Just some random events like that. Of course they too are old someday but honestly having nothing like that just makes it really stale..

They could have given us some points if they wanted but instead of having to reach highscores and have to do it as a group too (which punishes everyone if a few are not doing much) you get only your own personal score which then will be turned into currency. This currency can be exchanged with an NPC for prices, including the pet and the mount which should be sellable. With that everyone that is not interested can just buy them and the rest have something to farm for by selling those.

[Moonlite]

Uhh, what labels something as "dead content"?

Cause I could say the same about 24men raids, they become hella hard to pop the next expac. Should they be dropped in favor of more meh dngs just cause "it's something new to look at later (if you're one of those people who do roulette. I personally avoid rerunning old dngs lvl synced)"

They do try to encourage people into 24 mans. And yes they do become dead content all the way back in ARR you couldn't get the first one to pop after the second one came out. They had to add weekly rewards. I am a little surprised they haven't addressed the problem with SB ones not popping yet. But it might not be a Japanese problem and if they don't have an issue it seems to be low priority.

[Kisshu]

As the system is right now, it's stressing people to fish, fish, fish with as few break inbetween casts as possible. Even going as far as what as deciding if you should stand or sit on animation time, same with release. As soon as you can, you run to the side of the ship and start fishing, no taking in the enviroment at all except the first load-in.

The "problem" as I see it is the mount and titles being tied to a single trip. If these instead were tied to a total point or total catch it would do a lot to reduced forced stress on players. A 5k point trip won't feel wasted as it contributes to your overall progress for the mount, not the win/lose we have right now.

Also really wonder how future random events would be, if they're preventing people from fishing for some time it will be something people would avoid unless the time lost is off-set by a big point bonus. The same problem as people leaving if the first place doesn't spawn a rainbow right now.

[snipski]

the whole point of ocean fishing is making it easier to level fishing, it's not meant to be some hardcore ground for hardcore fishers lmao.

[Kalise]

As the system is right now, it's stressing people to fish, fish, fish with as few break inbetween casts as possible.

To be fair, this is what I find most ironic about the FSH class in general.

You get skills called Patience but in order to actually optimize while fishing, you have to be fast and fish fish fish.

Fish so you can get more casts in during "Patience" duration. Fish so you can try to catch fish in allotted time/weather constraints. Now, we have Ocean Fishing where you now have to fish for points and bonuses during limited time windows. All the while chugging Cordials like a drunkard in order to fuel all your fishing speed increases (Such as Double Hook, Patience itself, Chum etc)

the whole point of ocean fishing is making it easier to level fishing, it's not meant to be some hardcore ground for hardcore fishers lmao.

Seems odd though, given that:

1) FSH is literally the easiest and quickest job to level up in the game anyway.

2) End-game FSH has frequently been starved for content due to how few fish are actually necessary for end-game cooking recipies. (Leaving the only real thing to do being to fill out your fishing log and then shelve the class until next expansion)

[Darker_Midnight]

Honestly the worst thing about it is the 2 hour real world requirement. I literally could not do it more than 2-3 times a day normally, and I've not come close to the mount since the patch dropped. This content WILL die out quite quickly and then I will NEVER get the mount because RNJesus is the most Savage content out there...

[spf1200]

They have stated this is just the frame of the content and plan on doing a lot more. Can we stop whining about every new thing that comes out?

[Espritduo]

They have stated this is just the frame of the content and plan on doing a lot more. Can we stop whining about every new thing that comes out?

Then they shouldn't have released it half-assed. Or at least not put highly coveted rewards into poorly thought out experimental content until they knew what they were doing. Look at how slowly they've been dragging their feet with adding any rewards or main content to Ishgardian Restoration until they really really really see how it is going to work, one step at a time. They screwed up with this and we have every right to tell them they screwed up.

[Azurymber]

the whole point of ocean fishing is making it easier to level fishing, it's not meant to be some hardcore ground for hardcore fishers lmao.

given that you need to coordinate 8-man parties to get almost any of the titles associated with it. And that requires people to mostly be level 80 with high GP and hi-cordials and to fish super-efficiently, it is definitely meant to be hardcore content.

Like the entire system is designed around requiring the right baits at the right times to have a chance at doing well in anything.