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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    So just because they don't play every aspect they cannot be said to be immersing themselves in their own version of the story and lore? Are you dictating how to play the game now?

    Sorta? When you claim immersion, and don't take part of the full story of the game. That claim comes from a lack of info from what the world sets.

    So, I am dictating for using flawed logic and not having enough info to make said claims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadedsins View Post
    Sorta? When you claim immersion, and don't take part of the full story of the game.
    So you get to define what "full story" is then? If I didn't read every derivative work of the Star Wars expanded universe am I not "immersing myself" enough? Because I choose which story i want to read?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jadedsins View Post
    That claim comes from a lack of info from what the world sets.

    So, I am dictating for using flawed logic and not having enough info to make said claims.
    The logic is that the experience we wish to have doesn't include the content specifically separated to allow choice of experience. I've said this before but every player is playing on the same server but there are thousands of different versions of the game being played in peoples heads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    So you get to define what "full story" is then? If I didn't read every derivative work of the Star Wars expanded universe am I not "immersing myself" enough? Because I choose which story i want to read?


    The logic is that the experience we wish to have doesn't include the content specifically separated to allow choice of experience. I've said this before but every player is playing on the same server but there are thousands of different versions of the game being played in peoples heads.

    So how can you make a immersion claim as your reason, because you pick to ignore the rest of the story because it is optional? That is not how it works, your rights to ignore it and to warp the story to what only you pick to do does not mean that you can make claim to immersion, when you don't have the overall picture of the world,and stories in it.



    Your choice is to ignore the lore, and by having immersion breaking problems. That choice has become a problem for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jadedsins View Post
    So how can you make a immersion claim as your reason, because you pick to ignore the rest of the story because it is optional? That is not how it works, your rights to ignore it and to warp the story to what only you pick to do does not mean that you can make claim to immersion, when you don't have the overall picture of the world,and stories in it.
    I immerse myself in the story I've created and undesirable glams yank me out of my own story. You are now effectively gatekeeping the FFXIV experience. You are no more of a "true fan" than I am or "More immersed" if you play ALL content than the casual who plays once a week and ONLY does MSQ.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jadedsins View Post
    Your choice is to ignore the lore, and by having immersion breaking problems. That choice has become a problem for you.
    My choice is to play the game and engage in the parts I enjoy. I am encouraged to customize and protect that experience with all the options given to me so that I may enjoy the game on my own terms. Telling someone that their immersion argument doesn't hold water is telling them they do not know the story THEY MADE UP enough. People claim immersion problems because their internal narrative of the WoL gets broken by other players choices, not that it's particularly out of line with the FF universe (which lets not kid ourselves involves everything from chibi versions of every hero stacking on top of each other to fight to cartoonishly misproportioned bird things in pajama like armor suits) but it's out of line with the world the player has chosen to create to explain their character. Immersion isn't about adhering to canon, it's how well you can detach from reality and live your imaginary story.
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