A summary of my impression on the new skills and tips for 5.2 crafting

[NanaWiloh]

I had to think deeply about what you said here... Took me a long time to gather my thoughts, LOL!

If I remember correctly, back in ARR, it wasn't the Lucis that was though. It was the Master Book 2 (containing ARR 4 star recipes for i110 battle gear) that was the toughest to acquire. One needs to unlock Master Book 1 to get the recipes for things like "Calibrated Rose Gold Cog", and then one had to HQ the Cogs to obtain Master Recipe 2. You could just buy items to exchange for Master Book 1, but I remember most players had huge difficulties in HQ-ing the Cogs, thus only a handful of master crafters had access to Master Book 2's 4 star recipes, and we were selling the i110 crafted gear exclusively on the MB. When the Master Book 2's were released, Artisan Offhands were also released. I chose to skip it, and acquired all the books with just Militia Offhands, LOL! And then tackled on all those 4 star recipes with just Militia Offhands (eventually I did make the switch to Artisan Offhands)! That was good old times! And only after that, then Lucis tools were added to the game, and surprisingly, people still had trouble with those Cogs even after having Lucis.

That kind of locking recipes behind bars had not happened since then. Since that day, crafting had been made easier and easier each day. Some people called it a "decline" of the crafting game. Others supported it, as more players are able to access endgame crafted gear.

We all know the benefits and problems of making certain recipes only available to a small number of crafters. I'm not going to comment here. There are obviously two sides for the coin. Imo, the biggest issue is that ONCE IN AWHILE, the coin needs to be flipped to balance the benefits and problems. However, as I mentioned above, the coin has been on one side for a very extended period of time... (basically since 2015).

I didn't call out because I've seen many call-outs from other crafters before, such as those from RothTrailer. And yet, almost every time, SE would dismiss such call-outs for harder recipes. There was one time in Stormblood that they released Special 2 Star Recipes (Snailfish Oil etc). Those were quite hard and fun, but they nerfed them 1 or 2 patches later. I eventually kind of gave up. But you're right. Deep down I'm really bored, and every day, I'm waiting for something to happen, and yet it never comes. Maybe it's time for me to take a step up, and voice my opinion.

Locking recipes behind bars is one thing, but having difficult recipes to fiddle with is another issue. I think SE actually can separate the two. Many suggestions that I have seen before supported this idea. I also support this idea. Perhaps I'll make a thread in regards to this. ... Gosh, this feeling reminds me of the time BEFORE I wrote my first crafting guide... That was the time when I thought, "Gee, perhaps I should just do something about it, and write out a guide for the people". De Ja Vu here!

Please speak up and please dont mention Master book 2 again I only managed to get one of those nightmarish things at lvl 50 and only bye luck. There may be two sides to the coin but the coin can balance and should be balanced Endgame crafts for causals players and Endgame crafts for hardcore players. There is no reason that they both can't exist and no reason for SE not to make it happen.

The catch is making sure that Hardcore end game is not a requirement but optional there to reward the challenge thirsty. To offer Gear with more value and longevity, unique mounts and transmogs that stick out in a crowd. Thanks for the post as well I enjoy crafting with minimum stats as I hate blowing up Materia..

[LostCroisanf]

crafting has gotten SO bad to the point...where the legend caimie tsukino has to now step in lol please pay attention square...

[Nandrolone]

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I absolutely agree, what more can I say, lol! Please dear God make a long detailed thread about the state of crafting, and the problems with it, basically anything that’ll get the point across. Lost and someone else has done it, but if you did it, I’m sure that would literally be the final nail in the coffin. Even though I must admit, Lost gave it to em! But you know what they say...third time’s the charm!

I know we dont see eye to eye Nondrolone but yes please vent, let SE know too either make Expert recipes harder then a brick *whistles* house or up crafting difficulty. I would aim for the Expert recipes since they are aimed at the hardcore community, tell them what you want and expect. I am causal crafter but if you feel content aimed at you is not measuring up then feel free to speak loudly. If their intent is for starred gear too be for causals then Expert better be full on hardcore balls to the wall difficult.

Don’t worry, I feel like if Caimie makes “the legendary” thread soon, I think a lot of us will begin to see eye to eye.

[Cleanse]

It would probably be a good idea to wait until after the next update with the 'Expert Recipes' and rewards before creating another megathread.

Good:
- I like the new consolidated toolkit we have, everything makes sense and works well together.
- Rotations are shorter and thus macros aren't needed, which adds to the safety of lag breaking a craft.

Unsure:
- The Extract Materia ability might cause materia prices to tank, we'll see, maybe that was intended.

They could have probably removed Rapid Synthesis. Anyone found a use for it while leveling?

[Sabora_Makingai]

2570 crafts/2508 control, 622 cp after food

/ac Reflect <wait.3>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>
/ac "Veneration" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not II" <wait.2>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>


This macro will 100% HQ 70 durability items with no HQ mats. Youre welcome.

[Cleanse]

2570 crafts/2508 control, 622 cp after food

/ac Reflect <wait.3>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>
/ac "Veneration" <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not II" <wait.2>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>


This macro will 100% HQ 70 durability items with no HQ mats. Youre welcome.

For less stats:
Craftsmanship: 2449
Control: 2450
CP: 552

/ac Reflect <wait.3>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>
/ac Veneration <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Groundwork" <wait.3>
/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>

/ac "Preparatory Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Careful Synthesis"

[NanaWiloh]

One thing I would like addressed is what Caimie pulled off. I have held off over melding until now so that I could see the stat requirements for 3 star. Minute I saw them I felt something was way off they seem far to low, Caimie post here just confrims that stat requirements need to go up. Full 2 star with guarnteed slots filled with at least the first overmeld slot filled on armor/accessories should be what it takes too reach the min.requirements to craft 3 star. To be blunt what Caimie accomplished should never have been possible. I will go out and say as a causal crafter putting Materia in guaranteed slots along with the first overmeld slot is plenty do able for any causal. For causals who prepare ahead even the second slot is do able without breaking the bank or massive grinding.

Now that you can exract materia without losing gear if further reinforces that if you have done crafting long enough there is no excuse for not having the materia ready. Stock pile early stock Pile often is the name of the game. Not going to comment on crafting skills as I am figuring crap out again after I just got a grasp on it.

[Rath]

Okay, so I think what Caimie was able to do was reasonable. It required overmelding. It doesn't allow for automation (macro crafting), and can be replaced by non-overmelded facet gear for the same results. This is no different than crafting back in Heavenward when I got bored and quit.

The big difference now is the ease of getting scrips to unlock recipes. The ease of unlocking the gathering nodes, and the ease of getting materia.

[NanaWiloh]

Okay, so I think what Caimie was able to do was reasonable. It required overmelding. It doesn't allow for automation (macro crafting), and can be replaced by non-overmelded facet gear for the same results. This is no different than crafting back in Heavenward when I got bored and quit.

The big difference now is the ease of getting scrips to unlock recipes. The ease of unlocking the gathering nodes, and the ease of getting materia.

No its not ok or reasonable. Even Caimie should have found making such a jump difficult. This is why Caimie and Nan are disappointed, I am a causal if I am stunned that it gave a hardcore crafter no challenge.

[Nandrolone]

Okay, so I think what Caimie was able to do was reasonable. It required overmelding. It doesn't allow for automation (macro crafting), and can be replaced by non-overmelded facet gear for the same results. This is no different than crafting back in Heavenward when I got bored and quit.

The big difference now is the ease of getting scrips to unlock recipes. The ease of unlocking the gathering nodes, and the ease of getting materia.

You are entirely missing the point here. And I couldn’t disagree more with what you said.