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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    I wish I had this much control over my mind, being able to control how you react to everything you see, focus your attention on exactly what you want. Gonna need couple of silent retreats to reach that stage of concentration.
    Perhaps you need practice, may I suggest doing so by partying up with people whose glamours you don't like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sairys View Post
    Perhaps you need practice, may I suggest doing so by partying up with people whose glamours you don't like?
    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    If someone's outfit in a game makes you unable to control yourself then you got some serious problems.
    It doesn't bother me that much. But I'm not going to pretend like I can ignore something that is right in front of me and might be distracting (instance for example). Actually I'm sure there are OCD people who might have even more trouble diverting their attention, it can become a "don't think of a white bear" situation (look up ironic process theory). There's also those with porn addiction who get triggered, although I'd say this game isn't the best one to play in that case cause there's a fair amount of revealing npc's.

    Doesn't take away the fact that it would be nice to have the option to either hide glamour or change everyones/someones outfit to something basic (latter probably the better option). Gives more choice and tolerance to those that wish to use it for whatever reason, so they may enjoy the game like everyone else. If the existence of this option reduces your enjoyment, then you're having some unhealthy values for a game imo.
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    Last edited by SamRF; 02-20-2020 at 03:54 PM. Reason: quote bracket

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    It doesn't bother me that much. But I'm not going to pretend like I can ignore something that is right in front of me and might be distracting (instance for example). Actually I'm sure there are OCD people who might have even more trouble diverting their attention, it can become a "don't think of a white bear" situation (look up ironic process theory). There's also those with porn addiction who get triggered, although I'd say this game isn't the best one to play in that case cause there's a fair amount of revealing npc's.
    So now you're bringing mental issues into the argument as well. My goodness you guys are trying literally everything.

    As someone who suffers from mental issues, I don't expect any game to cater to them. It is my responsibility to manage my mental health, not SE's.

    And no don't start comparing this to having impaired vision or hearing just because there are options in games to help with that sort of thing. Those are often not conditions that can be managed with therapy. Mental illness is.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    so they may enjoy the game like everyone else.
    You're not enjoying the game like everyone else does if you're one of the few who unglam those around you.

    Quote Originally Posted by SamRF View Post
    If the existence of this option reduces your enjoyment, then you're having some unhealthy values for a game imo.
    And trying to make players appear more like npcs is healthy for a mmorpg?

    As long as the option doesn't put players in skimpy outfits they didn't choose, I'd tolerate unglamming. But that doesn't mean I'll pretend that I think it's a good thing for the game. I frankly think it's damn weird that someone wants to play a mmorpg but wants to strip away one of the most defining things about the genre. It's like going to a rock band concert and complaining that you have to listen to a guitarist.
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    Last edited by Penthea; 02-20-2020 at 04:25 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthea View Post
    So now you're bringing mental issues into the argument as well. My goodness you guys are trying literally everything.

    As someone who suffers from mental issues, I don't expect any game to cater to them. It is my responsibility to manage my mental health, not SE's.

    And no don't start comparing this to having impaired vision or hearing just because there are options in games to help with that sort of thing. Those are often not conditions that can be managed with therapy. Mental illness is.



    You're not enjoying the game like everyone else does if you're one of the few who unglam those around you.



    And trying to make players appear more like npcs is healthy for a mmorpg?

    As long as the option doesn't put players in skimpy outfits they didn't choose, I'd tolerate unglamming. But that doesn't mean I'll pretend that I think it's a good thing for the game. I frankly think it's damn weird that someone wants to play a mmorpg but wants to strip away one of the most defining things about the genre. It's like going to a rock band concert and complaining that you have to listen to a guitarist.
    Mental issues is for sure not my main argument, that's why I never brought it up earlier. Just a sidenote relevant to the attention/concentration argument.

    Why do you want to enforce your "meaning" of an MMORPG unto others? The game already plays like a single player RPG and I'm sure there are many who just like to play it solo and only interact with players in instances. Players who just want to experience the story for example.

    You have to go through hundreds of hours of singe player content to reach latest expansion, then in latest expansion you can use freakin NPC companions to do dungeons. If you're concerned about the MMORPG aspect of this game, you've got a lot of other stuff to worry about.
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    Last edited by SamRF; 02-20-2020 at 07:02 PM. Reason: formatting