It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Zabuza]

There is no such thing as a 'freedom of liking everyone's outfit.' You don't have to like what everyone expresses but asking for the ability to mute it because you can't handle it is crazy, and an unnecessary burden on the dev team to make it work. If someone in a two second dungeon cutscene has an outfit you don't like, tough. Deal with it rather than trying to bury your head in the and and pretending its not there.

Funny, we all block out people's self-expression all the time if we go by the logic of people in this post. Every time you don't look at someone's piece of art. Every time you don't watch a program on the TV. Every time you block someone on here. Every time you unsub from an MMO. Every time you don't buy a game.

I also love how you say to 'deal with it' when you unable to deal with a benign option being put in that would only benefit those who would use it and not hurt you in any way.

[Joven]

At this point it's starting to get funny how you lot conveniently completely ignore screenshots and streams. It does affect us if someone displays our characters in a way we didn't choose. It would be especially concerning if removing glams resulted in revealing a sexy outfit, because some combat gear does qualify as that, and a creep could take uncompromising screenshots of it, and then upload them to a public domain.

And I'm sure you will continue to ignore it because it puts a hole in your "it only affects the end user" argument.

Not to mention the slippery slope this is. What next? An option to remove certain hairstyles from view? Certain races? Certain minions? Mounts? Emotes? Housing skins? Furniture?

I generally dislike how dark lipstick looks in this game. Should I ask SE for a make-up free version of every face in the game?

If you were actually paying attention someone suggested that if a person was to use this feature then streaming and screenshots could be deactivated to cover such concerns.

And as I've said myself: people are already making complaints about every feature in this game not having some aspect of something they want. It's ultimately up to the devs. to decide on what and how they would impliment.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

Imagine worrying that I'm sharing this MMO community with more and more people who are entirely unable to handle and deal with anything that doesn't fit squarely within their own personal box.

I've always been of the opinion that people that care too much about controlling other people's personal boxes, when it has absolutely no effect on themselves, are in the wrong.

The funny thing is, I've seen the exact same arguments you're using just on the other side in WoW classic. On that end, it's people who want optional tmogs as part of WoW, that you could toggle on and- again, if you didn't want to be part of it, you wouldn't have to. Ultimately, those that want to force everyone to use/see glams/tmogs and those that want to force nobody to use/see them are basically the same, and it shouldn't be surprise. In both cases, you want control over someone else- and all they want is control over themselves.

Control over others btw is the absolute enemy of diversity, so don't for a moment think you can pretend you're on diversity's side.

[Zabuza]

Ultimately, those that want to force everyone to use/see glams/tmogs and those that want to force nobody to use/see them are basically the same, and it shouldn't be surprise. In both cases, you want control over someone else- and all they want is control over themselves.

Control over others btw is the absolute enemy of diversity, so don't for a moment think you can pretend you're on diversity's side.

Ding ding ding. This is what brought me to this thread to begin with, and this is the crux of the argument.

[DPZ2]

If you were actually paying attention someone suggested that if a person was to use this feature then streaming and screenshots could be deactivated to cover such concerns.

And how, technologically, would you do that?

Streaming isn't an in-game option, so SE has as much control over that as they have over players using a parser.

Screenshots can be taken outside of the game's control -- or are you saying SE should, somehow, illegally disable that ability for NVidia card users outside of the game?

(The in-game screenshot provides that SE copyright notice.)

[PeppermintBrown]

The difference is we want to control how our OWN CHARACTERS look.

You want to control how OTHER PEOPLES CHARACTERS look. Even if only on your screen.

That is the difference and that is why I will never endorse this idea.

[Zabuza]

The difference is we want to control how our OWN CHARACTERS look.

You want to control how OTHER PEOPLES CHARACTERS look. Even if only on your screen.

That is the difference and that is why I will never endorse this idea.

Yes, and if the option were implemented you'd STILL control how your character looks. Yet you want to go beyond that and control what I see.

[Penthea]

I ignored it because it would be such a ridiculously rare occurrence.

It's a rare occurrence for people to take screenshots of other people, and to stream? Lol are you serious?

Also, it is not a 'sexy outfit' glam I would advocate for. I don't care if people are dressed in the warrior AF as suggested earlier.

First of all it would be very lore breaking to have everyone be dressed a warrior (even though it would be hilarious) and if you suggest that everyone be in AF gear, some of it can be revealing, especially if you are a female character.

But you don't give a toss about what I have to say because apparently your desire to change everything to your world view somehow trumps my desire to have my character seen in the outfit I chose for her.

Apparently I'm unreasonable because I don't want you to dress my own character into something else I did not choose.

Control over others btw is the absolute enemy of diversity, so don't for a moment think you can pretend you're on diversity's side.

How am I controlling someone else by wearing a glam? How is that controlling someone else? I do not force people to look at my glams. If they dislike them they can simply look away. I don't grab them by the ears and force them to behold my character.

By this logic you can go to a stranger in the street and complain that they are controlling what you see by wearing an outfit you don't like.

This thread is starting to look like a classic case of "why oh why can't everyone just do what I want?!? SE change the game so I can be rid of the inferior fashion sense of other players!"

I'm sure if the devs are reading this thread they're rolling their eyes so much they're starting to fall out of their skulls. They don't create all this gear only to have it hidden by someone who is incapable of existing in the same plane of existence as someone who has a different taste in clothing.

Some of you lot need to learn how to exist in a mmo setting.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

When it comes to someoe's right to express themselves vs someone getting offended by that expression, I'll side with the person trying to express themselves every time. Freedom of speech is a thihng, freedom to like what everyone expresses is not. You don't have to like every glam you see. I certainly don't. But so what? It's not like someone's bad glam is reaching through the game to hurt you. Are you that thin skinned you have to ask the devs to let you block it out?

This is at worst blocking out peoples expression and at best, an unnecessary burden to an already understaffed dev team.

No, I don't think you understand at all what you're saying.

OK, let's say you're saying things I don't want to hear. I can /ignore you, and voila, I've muted what you are saying on my end. This DOES NOT silence you, this doesn't take your expression away, this just makes it so I can choose not to hear you.

Same here- if I mute your glam on my end, your glam still exists for you and everyone else, I just don't want to see it, much like with ignore.

It would seem to me everyone against this sort of function is also, if consistent with your beliefs on the matter, completely against there being ignore functions in games or on social platforms. Can you honestly tell me you've never used an ignore function in your life?

[DPZ2]

Yes, and if the option were implemented you'd STILL control how your character looks. Yet you want to go beyond that and control what I see.

I don't want to see another Lalafell in-game. Will your feature give me that too? How do you feel about that, given your current character's race?