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    Zabuza's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown View Post
    Other players would be imposed upon.

    How we choose to glam is how we choose to express ourselves. That shouldn't be something you can just turn off because you don't like seeing a hrothgar in a dress or something. For some people, being able to choose how the appear and present themselves is important. This system, even if they don't see it on the other end, is removing that expression and all that comes with it. You are removing my choice on how my character appears and is presented to you.
    So instead, you want to impose your appearance on my gaze and leave me no choice but to see your expression. And no, I actually don't have a choice but to see it in a cutscene. In doing so, you have completely removed my choice even though if OP's option was implemented, your choices would still not have been removed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    So instead, you want to impose your appearance on my gaze and leave me no choice but to see your expression. And no, I actually don't have a choice but to see it in a cutscene.
    Lol what cutscenes? The dungeon cutscenes that are few and far between and only viewed once?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    So instead, you want to impose your appearance on my gaze and leave me no choice but to see your expression. And no, I actually don't have a choice but to see it in a cutscene. In doing so, you have completely removed my choice even though if OP's option was implemented, your choices would still not have been removed.
    When it comes to someoe's right to express themselves vs someone getting offended by that expression, I'll side with the person trying to express themselves every time. Freedom of speech is a thihng, freedom to like what everyone expresses is not. You don't have to like every glam you see. I certainly don't. But so what? It's not like someone's bad glam is reaching through the game to hurt you. Are you that thin skinned you have to ask the devs to let you block it out?

    This is at worst blocking out peoples expression and at best, an unnecessary burden to an already understaffed dev team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown View Post
    When it comes to someoe's right to express themselves vs someone getting offended by that expression, I'll side with the person trying to express themselves every time. Freedom of speech is a thihng, freedom to like what everyone expresses is not. You don't have to like every glam you see. I certainly don't. But so what? It's not like someone's bad glam is reaching through the game to hurt you. Are you that thin skinned you have to ask the devs to let you block it out?

    This is at worst blocking out peoples expression and at best, an unnecessary burden to an already understaffed dev team.
    To me, you are blocking out people's freedom of choice in a game they choose to pay to play. Your freedom is speech is not infringed upon whatsoever. I'll suppose you will say if I don't buy someone's book I am infringing on their freedom of speech because I am blocking out their expression? No, they have no idea I didn't buy their book.

    Forcing me to consume your self-expression is the anti-freedom option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    To me, you are blocking out people's freedom of choice in a game they choose to pay to play. Your freedom is speech is not infringed upon whatsoever. I'll suppose you will say if I don't buy someone's book I am infringing on their freedom of speech because I am blocking out their expression? No, they have no idea I didn't buy their book.

    Forcing me to consume your self-expression is the anti-freedom option.
    There is no such thing as a 'freedom of liking everyone's outfit.' You don't have to like what everyone expresses but asking for the ability to mute it because you can't handle it is crazy, and an unnecessary burden on the dev team to make it work. If someone in a two second dungeon cutscene has an outfit you don't like, tough. Deal with it rather than trying to bury your head in the and and pretending its not there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown View Post
    There is no such thing as a 'freedom of liking everyone's outfit.' You don't have to like what everyone expresses but asking for the ability to mute it because you can't handle it is crazy, and an unnecessary burden on the dev team to make it work. If someone in a two second dungeon cutscene has an outfit you don't like, tough. Deal with it rather than trying to bury your head in the and and pretending its not there.
    Funny, we all block out people's self-expression all the time if we go by the logic of people in this post. Every time you don't look at someone's piece of art. Every time you don't watch a program on the TV. Every time you block someone on here. Every time you unsub from an MMO. Every time you don't buy a game.

    I also love how you say to 'deal with it' when you unable to deal with a benign option being put in that would only benefit those who would use it and not hurt you in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeppermintBrown View Post
    When it comes to someoe's right to express themselves vs someone getting offended by that expression, I'll side with the person trying to express themselves every time. Freedom of speech is a thihng, freedom to like what everyone expresses is not. You don't have to like every glam you see. I certainly don't. But so what? It's not like someone's bad glam is reaching through the game to hurt you. Are you that thin skinned you have to ask the devs to let you block it out?

    This is at worst blocking out peoples expression and at best, an unnecessary burden to an already understaffed dev team.
    No, I don't think you understand at all what you're saying.

    OK, let's say you're saying things I don't want to hear. I can /ignore you, and voila, I've muted what you are saying on my end. This DOES NOT silence you, this doesn't take your expression away, this just makes it so I can choose not to hear you.

    Same here- if I mute your glam on my end, your glam still exists for you and everyone else, I just don't want to see it, much like with ignore.

    It would seem to me everyone against this sort of function is also, if consistent with your beliefs on the matter, completely against there being ignore functions in games or on social platforms. Can you honestly tell me you've never used an ignore function in your life?
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    Imagine being so intolerant of other people in an MMO that you want control over the glamour choices of others.
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