It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Hysterior]

So now that we have female characters tanking in string bikini's and now men in wedding dresses, it's time to adopt an option a lot of other games have: Hide Glamour. Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men in dresses. It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

I don't propose a limit to glamour, I just want to be able to turn off other players glamours displaying on my client. That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another topless male in a thong.

It's time (Option to Hide other ugly people in real life)

So now that we have ugly women on Instagram and now men wearing make-up, it's time to adopt an option that makes no sense: Hide ugly people.
Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men wearing makeup.
It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel that life is beautiful.
Men should be tanned and buff and women should be thin but still have curves, and no one should have pimples, cellulite or other gross things.

I don't propose that we kill ugly people, I just want to be able to turn off their ugly looks so I don't have to look at them.
That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another ugly person.


How does this feel? Sounds reasonable?

[AriaFairchild]

The game doesn't have as much visual vomits like GW2 infusions but more options is always welcome.

[Dogempire]

Which is in itself an option, to allow players to tweak the experience to their personal tastes. It also doesn't matter that it's an MMO given that the development team have implemented many features to ensure that players have the tools to distance themselves from other players already if they so wish. For whatever reason they so please.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I forbid them from entering my house.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to adjust the character lighting settings and see their character in a different manner to how they see them on their screen.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I choose to block them so they cannot send me messages.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I opt to block bard performances so I cannot hear them.

It isn't restricting another player's freedom if I make the decision to turn off spell effects, which displays their character differently on my screen to their own.

The option to hide their glamour is just an extension of the tools already available to us.

Except if you couldn't lock your home people could just waltz in on you when you want privacy.

If you couldn't change someone's lighting you could literally just place light sources instead and achieve the same effect.

If you couldn't block someone then gil sellers would be bombarding you 24/7 with dms about their gil selling site and you couldn't do anything about it.

If you couldn't mute bard performances people can just play obnoxiously, and not just 1 person 5 or 6 people could do that.

If you couldn't turn off spell effects you wouldn't be able to see anything when doing hunts and would probably die to mechanics where you have to know where the front of the mob is.

Compared to all of these things, turning off glamours so you don't have to see that Viera's bikini or that person's frog suit seems like a dumb reason.

[Crushnight]

Let's not bring politics into this. It's not relevant. I also think the inverse is occurring here - some people don't want others to be able to not see certain things, which comes across as forcing it down their throats rather than letting everyone play the game they want to. It does not affect those whose appearance is being filtered out except for the fact that it can't be seen by the person filtering it out. You seem to be prioritising your own discomfort over such a feature over letting others manage what they will or won't see on screen. Does their discomfort not matter because you think it stems from "prejudice" or w/e? Different people have different tastes and it would be nice to be able to tailor the game in certain respects, to filter out certain hideous glamours etc.

Framing this as "taking away" anything, as some people are doing, is disingenuous, because it would not suppress their appearance for anyone but the player who activates such a feature. So I am sorry to say I find the "concerns" over this feature to be another case of shoving one's own taste down the throats of others, rather than any genuine expression for mutual tolerance. I tolerate the other person's glamour, I don't tell them what to do with it but I also am not forced to see it. Where is the issue?

The point I was really making with the second point was this topic WAS getting too close to that parallel especially when someone said the option would be like having glasses in rl that change how people look to you (your side btw for adding the feature) which is just YIKES.

My first point was the main reason is why I don't think they will add because people WILL ask for a feature to disable seeing Miqo'tes, Vieras, Hrothgars, lalafels what have you should they implement this feature and it may be best to sometimes not to give the inch so they can ask for the mile.

Yes it is bad people have to tolerate what they see as inappropriate in a video game they are playing /s

But people also also have to be tolerate of others choice to not want to see inappropriate attire (not sarcasm)

But this feature is a forced measure on the user end with 0 communication to the people who are apparently offensive in their attire.

Also one last point the only ones who own the pixels is SE no one on either side of the argument can claim them so any adjustments that can be made to characters are SE sole discretion to be as limiting as they want it so stuff like it's my game so I should choose to view things my way is wrong, it's SE's game your just payed the privilege to play it.

[3c-33]

Again and AGAIN, they are affecting you in NO way perceptible to you and only affecting the 1 instance in literal thousands of your character appearing in other screens. You will never know and the only perceivable problem is in your own head.


The artist created something unique and legally has recourse for intellectual property and such. the glamour is slapped premade parts together in a combination likely duplicated 100's of times. Explain how this is analogous.

I'm not calling glamouring an "art form" that is comparable with that. I'm saying that if an artist doesn't want their work modified by someone else, that doesn't give someone else the go-ahead to modify it anyway even if they keep it to themselves and the artist never sees it, same concept here in modifying someone else's appearance on your screen only even if they never see it or know.

You aren't taking any choices away from someone. This is the failing in your logic, the only thing being given is the choice to use the option or not. If someone doesn't like your glamour enough they will go through the rigamarole to remove it in their client. They already have the choice to remove you.

By not supporting the option for this toggle I am apparently saying "I don't want to give someone the choice to use it" according to someone else so I'm going off that.

And a video game doesn't have to follow real life rules. If someone gave me the option of muting all the toxic people I have to deal with in real life and they still all would think I smiled and nodded at their inane chatter I would take it in a minute. This is the beauty of a virtual world MEANT to relax and escape is that real world concerns don't HAVE to carry over.

I would too. Muting someone is the more convenient internet equivalent of looking away. Modifying the words on your screen to appear different to you is not the same thing because you're not just looking away, you're changing their words to something that suits you better.

[DumdogsWorld]

It's time (Option to Hide other ugly people in real life)

So now that we have ugly women on Instagram and now men wearing make-up, it's time to adopt an option that makes no sense: Hide ugly people.
Naturally troglodyte are going to assume it's because of the men wearing makeup.
It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel that life is beautiful.
Men should be tanned and buff and women should be thin but still have curves, and no one should have pimples, cellulite or other gross things.

I don't propose that we kill ugly people, I just want to be able to turn off their ugly looks so I don't have to look at them.
That way they can "Express" themselves all they want, and I don't have to suffer another ugly person.


How does this feel? Sounds reasonable?

If they could add a Youtube-style algorithm to social media sites for filtering out people deemed ugly based on past data, that would be amazing. It would be an option that is off by default and has to be enabled, but still.

I'm saying that if an artist doesn't want their work modified by someone else, that doesn't give someone else the go-ahead to modify it anyway even if they keep it to themselves and the artist never sees it, same concept here in modifying someone else's appearance on your screen only even if they never see it or know.

I guess we should agree to disagree on that.

[Theodric]

Compared to all of these things, turning off glamours so you don't have to see that Viera's bikini or that person's frog suit seems like a dumb reason.

In your opinion. Though as this thread proves, there's plenty of demand for such a feature to be implemented - and it's the sort of feature that doesn't need the permission of the targeted players as it doesn't affect them in any way whatsoever and the features listed in my previous post prove that there is an established precedent.

Luckily the development team are also well aware that they cannot simply cater to one particular type of player, so there's a decent chance that further toggles and restrictions on other players will be implemented over time. More options means more options across the board, not just when it suits someone to have a feature that they, specifically, enjoy.

[Dakuryon]

Next thing we know, people will want to censor all of the scantily clad NPCs, such as the Buduga bois at the Dawn Throne.

Idk I still think that people getting this excitable over glams and whether or not one's choice of self-expression is endangered should the feature OP suggested ever happen is just ... It's silly. I think it's silly! Just make up, hug it out, and enjoy the game! Please!

[Krotoan]

I'm not calling glamouring an "art form" that is comparable with that. I'm saying that if an artist doesn't want their work modified by someone else, that doesn't give someone else the go-ahead to modify it anyway even if they keep it to themselves and the artist never sees it, same concept here in modifying someone else's appearance on your screen only even if they never see it or know.

The artists protections have basis in the fact that it IS art though. Someone in real life CAN take your picture, draw all over it and make word bubbles coming out of your mouth that say "lol I'm dumb!" and put it on their wall and you cannot do anything about it. Your likeness is only protected insofar as profit and public representation, not your video game avatar which by rights isn't actually yours anyway.

I would too. Muting someone is the more convenient internet equivalent of looking away. Modifying the words on your screen to appear different to you is not the same thing because you're not just looking away, you're changing their words to something that suits you better.

If you want the equivalent of muting someone then an option to replace their character with a placeholder model/gear/face should be fine right? Nothing of your creation is used, there is no possible way someone would link it visually to you other than being in that particular spot at that particular time, heck it could even replace your name with initials (as is an option right now) or a number.

Idk I still think that people getting this excitable over glams and whether or not one's choice of self-expression is endangered should the feature OP suggested ever happen is just ... It's silly. I think it's silly! Just make up, hug it out, and enjoy the game! Please!

I swear as soon as 5.2 drops I will be so distracted I won't even be thinking about this anymore.. until the next pig/chocobo/moogle head drops into the new dungeon at least.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

Though as this thread proves, there's plenty of demand for such a feature to be implemented

But aren't the forums a vocal minority? Whose to say a vast majority of the players would even want this option to exist in the first place?