It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[Zabuza]

Yea it's a shame that just like real life we have to respect that other people make different decisions to us.

Good point! Are you respecting other people's choice to desire the toggle option?

[Penthea]

Good point! Are you respecting other people's choice to desire the toggle option?

So basically: "please respect my decision to change how everyone else looks!"

So many posts in this thread are the definition of being self-centered.

I don't like every glam I see, I don't even like every character's face I see in the forums. I see a lot of characters whose appearance I think is woeful. But I'm not selfish enough to think SE should make a tool just so I can bring the game closer to my personal world view.

Also I like how it seems no one has so far addressed that turning off glams isn't even a guarantee that characters would look more conventional due to combat gear such as the Shisui sets. OP's idea is flawed. It's not guaranteed to work the way they want purely because of the way SE themselves design some gear.

[3c-33]

No one said they wanted this to be a single player game. You have obvious differences from an NPC in that you can type a variety of different words in response to the situation, as well as the player name over your head. I don't need to see someone wrapped in a frog suit to know when I am looking at a player.

This thread was all about how other players ruin their immersion and they want some way to remove a big part of what even makes this game an mmo for the sake of that. If you want every player to look exactly like their job or race gear, you are basically saying you want people to look like nameless npcs that don't ruin your immersion. How does this option fulfill a purpose already fulfilled by trusts? How is pairing up with three random strangers you don't know immersive just because they're dressed appropriately? They've hardly created a canon lore justification for this beyond those people being some random adventurer's you team up with. Which I'm not sure makes sense given how more and more bizarre each scenario comes when you think about some Joe Shmo standing next to you at the ultima weapon, I don't think some random adventurer not considered to be another WoL in your eyes signed up for what ended up going down in there, or most places really. The only exception to this is the hades fight where it's noted that he is summoning warriors of light from other worlds, or something like that. Which is slightly fourth wall breaking if you look at it in the "other players" way. Maybe not, since we have the warriors of light on the first that were here before us, but still. Are the other players in that instance supposed to represent other players or npcs? I don't know

[Krotoan]

And I can understand someone being upset that their character or even themselves are being misrepresented due to someone else turning off glams and sharing imagery with them in it.

Again, if someone wants to share imagery or screenshots with your altered character in it, be it by Mods or by outright photoshop, what can you do about it? As you are in what I would consider to be a relatively public space, the expectations of privacy and purity of representation should be minimal.

You might not care if your character appears in someone else's screenshot with your unglammed gear, but some other people would. For some people their characters are the only way they can express themselves, because we live in a society where acting outside the norm can get you shunned. By removing their glams you are effectively doing what society would prefer them to do irl.

My requesting an option to not see mascot headed, clashing color yokai weaponed, fishnet clad and giant armor chonk booted people has nothing to do with your "expression" and everything to do with how I want to experience the game. This isn't about the player wishing to censor others, just to maintain an experience and feel. I am not oppressing anyone if I change my personal perception. I am not requesting that anyone change their ways in any way, in fact if you read earlier you'd see that this might even unlock further customization and options as the excuse to limit job glams since it's "confusing" would disappear if you could generically represent jobs on your own screen for convenience. This option isn't about repressing or telling you that you're "wrong" for wanting to do something, it's about giving people options to customize their own experience.

And I'm pretty sure nothing I said here will even vaguely resonate with you, so I'm just going to look forward to your next post saying that disliking being seen in a way you didn't choose is somehow bordering on some manner of mental illness.

The example given that you're referring to is an infinitesimal chance upon an infinitesimal chance. It's like worrying about donating blood on the off chance that someone who receives a transfusion and then commits a crime and gets hurt leaves behind your DNA would get you arrested. If you find that a reasonable argument, I will tell you that yes, your grip on reality is shaky and your perceptions of actual statistical happenings are poor.

Disliking being seen in a way you don't choose is universally disliked, just look at all those memes out there about "Instagram Vs Facebook tagged" posts. People hate it. I get that. But you are likely represented in unfavorable ways just by people looking at you that you haven't even noticed making judgements about you that you will NEVER KNOW ABOUT. Dwelling on that and constantly worrying about it WILL make you insane and/or paranoid.


HOWEVER. We are speaking of a glamour in a game. While we can talk about it back and forth and get all offtopic about representation and acceptance and freedom of expression, the main point here is if I'm playing a video game I'd like as much control over my own experience as possible. If I can do this without perceptibly ruining anyone elses experience, it's awesome. This particular option only seems to bother people who cannot stand the idea of not completely controlling every aspect of how their character is displayed. Again something that is impossible to guarantee in any client based graphic representation of an MMO.


This option isn't to oppress but to allow a more customizable personal experience.

[Zabuza]

So basically: "please respect my decision to change how everyone else looks!"

So many posts in this thread are the definition of being self-centered.

I fail to see how my side is the self-centered one when you want to ensure you impose your appearance on everyone else. All the OP is asking for is a function that would change only their view and would affect you in no way, where as what you desire does affect other people, simply so you can retain your self-satisfaction in knowing others can see what you see.

[Penthea]

Again, if someone wants to share imagery or screenshots with your altered character in it, be it by Mods or by outright photoshop, what can you do about it? As you are in what I would consider to be a relatively public space, the expectations of privacy and purity of representation should be minimal.

Okay, so the game is a public space.

What gives you the right to dictate how other people appear in a public space? And yes it would be exactly that if someone uploaded screenshots of someone with forced unglammed gear. That is literally changing someone's appearance, without their consent, in a public space.

[Krotoan]

You make this out to be a big deal just as much as I do on the other end. You also don't have to see anything. This is the exact same back and forth argument that doesn't take us anywhere

I kind of do. If you bring your "expressive" glamours into an instance I have to experience them, sometimes in relevant cutscenes. If you bring them into the part of the map I'm crafting on and stand in my field of vision I have to see them. If you bring them up to the marketboard or other social hub in the city while I'm hanging out with my friends I kinda have to experience them.

The difference being if this option was enabled you would never know that it was on or not, on the other hand I am always acutely aware of people being "creative" in the spaces I like to hang out in.

[Theodric]

It isn't an attack on someone's identity, so it's a deceptive argument for it to be framed as such in the first place. It'd be a different thing entirely if someone forced somebody else to have to view their character in a full suit of steel armour. Yet since it's entirely client side in regards to this suggestion, it wouldn't affect them at all.

[Krotoan]

Okay, so the game is a public space.

What gives you the right to dictate how other people appear in a public space? And yes it would be exactly that if someone uploaded screenshots of someone with forced unglammed gear. That is literally changing someone's appearance, without their consent, in a public space.

I have no right. I would also NOT be dictating how they would appear in a public space, only in my computer. As far as the server is concerned if anyone chose to load the given information they would see that persons "creativity". They would never know, I would never need to say anything, for all intents and purposes we would both be happy.

[Penthea]

It isn't an attack on someone's identity, so it's a deceptive argument for it to be framed as such in the first place. It'd be a different thing entirely if someone forced somebody else to have to view their character in a full suit of steel armour. Yet since it's entirely client side in regards to this suggestion, it wouldn't affect them at all.

Conveniently ignoring that people take screenshots and stream, okay.