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    Quote Originally Posted by QT_Melon View Post
    It's a OPEN SOURCE project. What others do with plugins isn't exactly their responsibility.
    yet they should be, since it was their choice to make it Open-Source. While true, they can't stop people from breaking the coding and injecting malicious intent, they could have covered their rear by locking the code down, instead of letting it be easily altered.

    While the plugins to it may be the bigger issue and the punishable offence, it's still using another program to decipher the data, meaning ACT is just as liable to cause issues on a security front, since ACT is the "Master program" in that setup.

    To that end, why not just flag the master program and catch anything that gets flagged? All the plugins need ACT to function, so getting rid of ACT stops their ability to function. At least until they make another program or a built-in workaround but that starts to tread dangerously close to federal court levels of punishment, instead of just a ban from the game servers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    yet they should be, since it was their choice to make it Open-Source. While true, they can't stop people from breaking the coding and injecting malicious intent, they could have covered their rear by locking the code down, instead of letting it be easily altered.

    While the plugins to it may be the bigger issue and the punishable offence, it's still using another program to decipher the data, meaning ACT is just as liable to cause issues on a security front, since ACT is the "Master program" in that setup.

    To that end, why not just flag the master program and catch anything that gets flagged? All the plugins need ACT to function, so getting rid of ACT stops their ability to function. At least until they make another program or a built-in workaround but that starts to tread dangerously close to federal court levels of punishment, instead of just a ban from the game servers.
    its that last thing that you said is why it's better to operate with a known quantity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    yet they should be, since it was their choice to make it Open-Source. While true, they can't stop people from breaking the coding and injecting malicious intent, they could have covered their rear by locking the code down, instead of letting it be easily altered.
    That's not how Open Source really works.

    I mean it all depends under the GPL that it was released under. Otherwise Linux could have just controlled Apple or Android for making their own OSes based off it. :P

    1) In general, open source refers to any program whose source code is made available for use or modification as users or other developers see fit. Open source software is usually developed as a public collaboration and made freely available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenky View Post
    yet they should be, since it was their choice to make it Open-Source. While true, they can't stop people from breaking the coding and injecting malicious intent, they could have covered their rear by locking the code down, instead of letting it be easily altered.

    While the plugins to it may be the bigger issue and the punishable offence, it's still using another program to decipher the data, meaning ACT is just as liable to cause issues on a security front, since ACT is the "Master program" in that setup.

    To that end, why not just flag the master program and catch anything that gets flagged? All the plugins need ACT to function, so getting rid of ACT stops their ability to function. At least until they make another program or a built-in workaround but that starts to tread dangerously close to federal court levels of punishment, instead of just a ban from the game servers.
    The tool that places waymarks does not rely on ACT. You can set it up to allow it to be remotely controlled by other applications, such as ACT. Also ACT does not decipher any data, that's done by a plugin too.

    Your idea of getting rid of ACT also doesn't take into account that ACT can be used with other games where it's perfectly fine to use it. In general, I think they've taken the right approach as it would simply cost too much money to try to block it and I think they know it. They could've decided to catch the people using the waymark placing tool, but opted not to for some reason, and that would be infinitely cheaper than trying to block ACT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chooty View Post
    The tool that places waymarks does not rely on ACT. You can set it up to allow it to be remotely controlled by other applications, such as ACT. Also ACT does not decipher any data, that's done by a plugin too.

    Your idea of getting rid of ACT also doesn't take into account that ACT can be used with other games where it's perfectly fine to use it. In general, I think they've taken the right approach as it would simply cost too much money to try to block it and I think they know it. They could've decided to catch the people using the waymark placing tool, but opted not to for some reason, and that would be infinitely cheaper than trying to block ACT.
    They actually may be in the works of blocking it. They're not gonna block ACT itself. Just likely they're working on the detecting on the injection of client data. They probably just did the all out waymark ban, to make sure someone doesn't produce a workaround and does it again. That would also go for the AOEs being made visible.
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