It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[rance-sama]

for a second I thought this was a Titanmen's thread.

[Zabuza]

How dare you not have a robe as a healer ?

Seriously, let people glam what they want, and if that troubles you, just... don't look at them ? There have been bikini tankers and exhibitionists (thongs roegadyn, I'm looking at you boys) since the glamours were made a thing. You just want this to change because you don't want to see male hyurgoths in wedding dresses. And I understand how that might trouble you, but you don't know, maybe that dude in a wedding dress needs to dress like that to feel good, so maybe, just maybe, you're in the wrong there. Let people do what they want as long as it doesn't affect you on another level than "I don't like it".

Yes, exactly. Let people do what they want. The option OP speaks of follows this mantra. It is those who are opposed to it that are opposed to letting people have choice and freedom. Again, forcing people to look upon you, vehemently opposed to them having an option not to do so.

Pretty nice troll thread here

You seemingly can't go five seconds without cycling through your random insult generator to make your arguments. "I don't want to look at [race] in [derogatory adjective] because it upsets me."

How is someone dressing the way they want forcing their expression on you? You don't have to look at it. Do you know how absurd and narcissistic it sounds to be so bothered by the way other people look that you feel the need to shield your eyes from the scary outside world over other peoples' existence? You are essentially saying that another person's self expression regardless of intention bothers you enough that you need a game feature to cover your eyes and hold your hand because you don't like something so HARMLESS. Appearance is not harmful as long as it's not representing something harmful, like hate organizations. The fact you get so offended by people that havent even spoken to you speaks volumes.

We're not just talking about "it doesn't affect them" and how it's "optional" anymore, we're talking about the fact you think someone's appearance warrants you to not only insult them, but gives you permission to pick and choose what you get to see on the basis of "I don't like it." would you really walk up to someone in game and tell them that you find their character/glamour ugly? I'd hope you wouldn't, and that doesn't mean you should come on here and do it either. You can hate on silly or ugly glamours as much as you want but insulting someone's character/appearance because of what they're wearing does not get much lower in terms of pettiness and narcissism.

I have my own fair share of glamours I don't like but never have I felt compelled to insult people for wearing them nor felt so entitled to anothers appearance that I wanted to change it for myself. The "be and let be" argument is a funny one to make in favor of this considering you're definitely not "being" by getting so worked up over a personal choice which everyone has the right to make.

Lol, you calling someone narcissistic is rich. Let's be real here. Your side doesn't want people to have the OP's option to 'shield their eyes', because you want to be the center of attention. Is there anything more narcissistic and sad than prancing around in a ridiculous outfit screaming 'look at me', 'look at me.' I've seen people in the thread admit this. They can't bear the thought of not being the center of someone's focus.

[Fawkes]

we already have an example of a game loading preset gear instead of the what's actually equipped/glamoured in FFXI as I previously mentioned.

There was the setting for the PS2 version that didn't show armor, but that was because the PS2 couldn't handle loading all the gear. I think it only worked on PS2.

And that setting just showed everyone else in their underwear, it didn't replace the appearance of their gear with something else.

[SilverObi]

There was the setting for the PS2 version that didn't show armor, but that was because the PS2 couldn't handle loading all the gear. I think it only worked on PS2.

It definitely still works on PC as of when I played it last night. And the fact that the gear it loaded was just underwear doesn't mean it's not loading preset gear since like how it works in XIV, that's still a bit of the model being loaded and not actually clothing being added/removed so it was replacing it with something else.

[Moomba33]

This is a hard question to answer, but I think part of it comes down to two things, one being that no matter what, there's always going to be people who mod their game, two being the mods already exist, so no use crying over spilt milk? Nothing to be done about it, I'm not exactly okay with my character being modified to look like something without my permission either, but whatever, I can't stop them.

I guess the main thing is we would prefer to limit who can change our appearance to a minimum rather than adding another official feature that will allow a larger group of people to do this, like PS4 users.And something about the official thing you said.

On that note I don't even know how prevalent the issue of that mod stuff is in the first place. I know there's probably some weirdos that would mod everyone to look like that or something but id hope otherwise that most people are sensible enough to keep it limited to their own characters rather than strangers. Again, idk how prevalent either of those things are, but yeah

Thank you for responding.

I'm not going to be upset if SE never implements something like this, but I was feeling a bit frustrated when comparing the responses to this topic compared to the mod topic I linked earlier.

It felt like:

Player: "I'm uncomfortable that others can make my character look nsfw on their screens"
Community: "It's just pixels get over it"

Player: "I'd like to have other players appear unglamoured/in AF gear on my screen"
Community: "You have no right to change how my character looks!"

I'm on PS4 so I know I'm partied with people who can change my character appearance, see my dps and whatever else without me being able to to do anything about it. I guess I kind of liked the idea of getting a mod like option I could use too?

I'd prefer no mods frankly but it's not like that's at all enforceable.

[Iplewhelmed]

If I'm doing a duty with other player characters using "lore-breaking"/absurd glams I just headcanon them as being comic relief characters or hippies in-lore.

[DeltaCyan]

I dont post often but here I go.
While I was finishing the Shadowbringers MSQ when it first came out, I remember being extremely immersed and excited when all my teammates spawned in wearing unglamoured 80 artifact gear for the final trial.
Fast forward to 5.1, first run of Grand Cosmos. My teammates were: a topless fem miqote, a hrothgar with only the subligar glamoured, and a jarring metallic purple frog suit.
Not that theres anything wrong with this, but if I were able to have a setting that made all players (including myself) wearing the artifact gear of the expansion, it would definitely add to the experience.
And the beauty of it being an option is, I can simply turn the setting off after I finish the story. Nobody else gets affected, and I get a satisfying experience with the story! I dont get why it being an option is causing so many people to lash out as if it was a personal attack on their glamour.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

Can I have an option that changes everyone into Hyur Midlanders? That way I don't need to see Lalafells ruining my immersion? It's fine if they want to be Lalafells, I just don't want to them to ruin my experience.

[Zabuza]

I dont post often but here I go.
While I was finishing the Shadowbringers MSQ when it first came out, I remember being extremely immersed and excited when all my teammates spawned in wearing unglamoured 80 artifact gear for the final trial.
Fast forward to 5.1, first run of Grand Cosmos. My teammates were: a topless fem miqote, a hrothgar with only the subligar glamoured, and a jarring metallic purple frog suit.
Not that theres anything wrong with this, but if I were able to have a setting that made all players (including myself) wearing the artifact gear of the expansion, it would definitely add to the experience.
And the beauty of it being an option is, I can simply turn the setting off after I finish the story. Nobody else gets affected, and I get a satisfying experience with the story! I dont get why it being an option is causing so many people to lash out as if it was a personal attack on their glamour.

This is because people want you to gawk upon their impeccable fashion sense. Basically, 'look at me, don't I have the greatest ensemble and color scheme on my outfit?' The thought of you bypassing that with this option seems to offend them, because they can't show off.

[3c-33]

Yes, exactly. Let people do what they want. The option OP speaks of follows this mantra. It is those who are opposed to it that are opposed to letting people have choice and freedom. Again, forcing people to look upon you, vehemently opposed to them having an option not to do so.

Your rights end where mine begin. You can look away, blacklist, disagree, and hate it as much as you want, but implying that everyone must adhere to standards set by you is ridiculous. Since you know you can't stop people from doing something, you choose the next best thing in having it your way by putting yourself in your own little world where everyone fits your standard of how you think they should dress. I wouldn't even find this request that unreasonable if your reasoning was anything but "I don't want to look at people's disgusting glamours."

Lol, you calling someone narcissistic is rich. Let's be real here. Your side doesn't want people to have the OP's option to 'shield their eyes', because you want to be the center of attention. Is there anything more narcissistic and sad than prancing around in a ridiculous outfit screaming 'look at me', 'look at me.' I've seen people in the thread admit this. They can't bear the thought of not being the center of someone's focus.

As I just stated, I use that word because you try to justify your cause with the reasoning of "I hate anyone who doesn't wear my pre-approved glamours." You expect the entire community to dress in a way that accomodate your needs. How is that not narcissism? Not only that, you automatically assume that every single person you don't even know that's dressing in thongs is doing so specifically to wave it in your face, andyou want se to implement a convoluted system that caters exactly to your specific preferences of anothers' appearance. You are asking someone to change someone's appearance for you since you can't. Last time I checked, the amount of people who actually do this is zero. It's not as if you have an entourage of frogs following you everywhere you go. Just look away.

You literally don't know me, you cannot possibly claim that I like to, as you say, "prance around saying look at me!" Because I like to be the center of attention. Everything you are saying is baseless accusations directed at people who don't even know you exist, because you have a victim complex.