It's time (Option to Hide other players Glamour)

[hasana]

I don't mind however you might mind the fact I'll be wearing statless level 1 gear ������

[Dan4077]

Ha, someone is getting a tad overly touchy. It's not that important to get so worked up about.

No-one is denying anyone's character their "identity". You can still glamour as much as you want and other people can see it, just not the ones who opt to use the feature. You can still interact with other people and unless you go out of your way to say "hey, what do you think of my glamour? Isn't it amazing?" nobody is going to know or care about your character's "identity" but you.

Is that how you try to win anything? You just claim something out of thin air? Where in my comment did I seem overly touchy or worked up? Everything I said was completely reasonable and in response to retort your comment. I posted the definition because you seem to keep ignoring out of will or ignorance my use of the word. And yes if you add a feature that lets people rip down my characters glamour you have just denied that characters identity. I really do not know how to make it any easier for you to understand. People like everyone to see their glamour. But other people and I say OTHER people were making out like we were forcing them to have intercourse just cause we want our characters be portrayed in the way we designed them.
I will meet them halfway and say they can make the character completely invisible. But no I do not like that idea that you can just alter my character because you don't not like how I made them. At that point it isnt even my character so do not display it at all.

[Joven]

Is that how you try to win anything? You just claim something out of thin air? Where in my comment did I seem overly touchy or worked up? Everything I said was completely reasonable and in response to retort your comment. I posted the definition because you seem to keep ignoring out of will or ignorance my use of the word. And yes if you add a feature that lets people rip down my characters glamour you have just denied that characters identity. I really do not know how to make it any easier for you to understand. People like everyone to see their glamour. But other people and I say OTHER people were making out like we were forcing them to have intercourse just cause we want our characters be portrayed in the way we designed them.
I will meet them halfway and say they can make the character completely invisible. But no I do not like that idea that you can just alter my character because you don not like how I made them. At that point it isnt even my character so do not display it at all.

I'm not trying to "win" anything because there is nothing to win here (and F.Y.I., claiming someone has a comprehension problem and going out of your way to post the definition of a word is a sign of exasperation, which means getting worked up. Just so you know.)

As far as your character's "identity", which you keep using, nobody but you and your friends care about that. Do you think all the random people you run with are going to give 2 seconds worth of thought to your character's supposed form of "expression"? Most people just want to get the content done, collect their reward and bugger off. As I said, unless you go out of your way to show off then most people wouldn't pay a lick of attention to you.

[VanishingCat]

Also FYI, glamour is still a canon thing in-game. There's a reason it's called "glamour". It's magic in a fantasy game. If you are gonna go on about lore and immersion, then remember that technically, none of these people are actually wearing the skimpy outfits you see, it's just an illusion to look like they are, but they're still wearing armor underneath. Therefore adventurers can wear whatever they want.

[DumdogsWorld]

This whole argument is beginning to remind me of how I hate modern copyright laws. IMO, you really have to be doing somebody some kind of harm in order for it to be wrong. But no, because the zeroes and ones on my physical drive are configured to resemble the zeroes and ones on another person's physical drive, I can't do anything to that section of my drive. It doesn't belong to me anymore. It belongs to whoever made the original configuration of zeroes and ones. It doesn't matter if I don't deny the creator any revenue, and it doesn't matter if the creator has been dead for 50 years. I have no right to alter it because it doesn't belong to me. A section of my hard drive, which I bought, doesn't belong to me.

Back on topic, saying it will never become a feature is one thing - that's most likely the case. But to say I have no right? Yeah, no. There's no way in the seven hells I'll ever agree to that.

[Halivel]

As far as your character's "identity", which you keep using, nobody but you and your friends care about that. Do you think all the random people you run with are going to give 2 seconds worth of thought to your character's supposed form of "expression"? Most people just want to get the content done, collect their reward and bugger off. As I said, unless you go out of your way to show off then most people wouldn't pay a lick of attention to you.

Sorry, I currently don't have the time to look for a beginning of this discussion so I don't know what yours and Dan4077 initial arguments are.

However, if everything was as you say and "random people aren't going to give 2 seconds worth of thought about somebody's character expressions" then we wouldn't sit in this thread to begin with. If people really didn't care, they wouldn't ask for a possibility to hide somebody's glamour in the first place. If they want only to do the content, get reward and bugger off, why care about somebody's dress to the point they want a toggle to hide it?

It honestly reminds me a phrase from a Russian movie: "For three days I chased you - yes! - to tell you how indifferent you are to me!"

[Dan4077]

I'm not trying to "win" anything because there is nothing to win here (and F.Y.I., claiming someone has a comprehension problem and going out of your way to post the definition of a word is a sign of exasperation, which means getting worked up. Just so you know.) <--------No it is not.

As far as your character's "identity", which you keep using, nobody but you and your friends care about that. Do you think all the random people you run with are going to give 2 seconds worth of thought to your character's supposed form of "expression"? Most people just want to get the content done, collect their reward and bugger off. As I said, unless you go out of your way to show off then most people wouldn't pay a lick of attention to you.

And who are you to get to decide who cares and doesn't? And if no one gives a lick besides my friends and me then why do they want a feature that blocks out glamours they do not like. And posting a definition is not a sign of exasperation just because you say it is.
You literally just argued down the option you were defending. No one gives a lick so now you and everyone else don't need the option. I am SO glad no one but my friends and me care. Well that is perfect then everyone is happy.

[Krotoan]

Honestly - no, thanks.

People do their glamours the way they do so people would see their characters just like this. No matter how much people say about glamour being not a content, it takes a big place in community.

And nobody who cares about glamours would ever have to turn the option on.

No matter how much I don't like all the hundreds of characters running around in bikinis and subligars, I have no right to hide their glamours. Those're their characters and that's how they want them to look.

And on their screens where it mattered so much to them they would look however they would want to look. What rights are you talking about? You have little to no right telling someone else how they should play a game correct? Why do they have to do anything further than be civil and try and fulfill their role?

Also, how is this supposed to work in the first place? If it will be a system where you can replace some concrete items with another items - you do realise that somebody could wear on you something what you don't want your character to wear? If it's something like "toggle = character in starting gear" then maaaaaybe it could work. I quess you can say "I don't care how my character looks to others" but honestly, then you should care even less about how others look to you.

As I proposed several times , giving everyone of the same class their appropriately tiered AF and/or a generic glamour for their class. All WAR's would be wearing 50/60/70/80 AF etc etc. So by sight you could see Job and Race. It would even reduce loading times in some instances since the game would only need to load the same gear for everyone in the area who was the same job. This would actually help performance in high-pop gatherings like hunts. If this was implemented I don't think there should be any choice about the exact glamour anyone wears, just a toggle on/off of "custom" glamours. Either everyone except yourself and NPC's are generic or everyone is custom. "dressing" other characters in outfits YOU choose individually is a little far. I am aware of many people who use custom graphic mods and more power to them. Unless someone specifically gets all creepy about how I look sexy/hot in whatever skeezy glamour skin they've custom loaded , I don't care.

Another question - will it work just on one character or on simply everybody? In 1st case such system is just too much expensive to implement imo, and in second it can ruin literally thousands of glamours around you (including your own, on top of that).

And the last one: how is this different from modding, in fact?

As I mentioned in the last response it would affect everyone who isn't the player or an NPC. And how does it "ruin" them? It's not going to actually change anyones appearance on their character, just how the person who has the option enabled sees them. The proposed system would be the developer approved form of modding glamours locally (which people already do widely and is another one of the "don't ask don't tell" grey areas of rules).

[Joven]

Sorry, I currently don't have the time to look for a beginning of this discussion so I don't know what yours and Dan4077 initial argument is.

However, if everything was as you say and "random people aren't going to give 2 seconds worth of thought about somebody's character expressions" then we wouldn't sit in this thread to begin with. If people really didn't care, they wouldn't ask for a possibility to hide somebody's glamour in the first place. If they want only to do the content, get reward and bugger off, why care about somebody's dress to the point they want a toggle to hide it?

It honestly reminds me a phrase from a Russian movie: "For three days I chased you - yes! - to tell you how indifferent you are to me!"

The point is that when you see something you disagree with as far a someone's glamour is concerned you don't care what their motivation behind the chosen attire is, you just don't want to see it.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

I'm pretty sure we already had this thread a few weeks ago. And it's still the same stupid argument:

It's actually because it's breaks the theme and feel of it being a final fantasy game. Tanks should wear plate, healers should wear robes, and no one should be in a fight seriously wearing carbuncle slippers and lingerie.

You haven't played many FF-games, have you? Because this is proper ff-fighting-armor:



Also, there is Serah Farron in FF XIII, fighting in a school girl uniform. And don't get me started on her alternate beach-outfit.

I think in the newer FFs the only guy wearing real plate armor was Steiner in FF9