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  1. #41
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    Iscah's Avatar
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    Aurelie Moonsong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    Why is it okay for you to play as a fat chocobo, but it's not okay for me to play with my teammates wearing lore-appropriate gear? Especially if it's only client-side (ie, it wouldn't make a difference for you either way)
    That's a false equivalence. Nobody is arguing to prevent you from wearing lore-appropriate gear if you wish to do so.

    In any case, glamour is just as critical to a lore-appropriate outfit as a novelty one. Is your tank looking lore-appropriate in the YoRHa dress or Shisui set? Your dancer in an outfit designed with machinist in mind? Your red mage in bulky wizard robes?

    Gear can't simultaneously cater to the aesthetic of all the jobs that need to equip it, even if they didn't throw in novelty themed sets every so often.
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  2. #42
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    Nettle Creidne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    Besides, isn't it a bit... hypocritical that the same people who clamored for more options are now saying more options are bad (especially when said options don't even affect them)?
    There's a big difference between more options, and having the ability to make everyone else's options invisible. It's like requesting some weird form of rose coloured glasses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugowulf View Post
    I mean I get it. Though that’s part of the experience, you don’t have to like everyone you meet.
    Yeap, you do get it. I don't like every glam I see. I think some are bloody awful. But it doesn't bother me enough that I want SE to change the game for me.
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  3. #43
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    Moonlite's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    Last I checked, we're paying for a sub as it is. Unless there's some issue from a game development perspective which makes it very hard to implement, I don't see the issue.

    Everything is hard for them to implement and they don't have the man hours for anything. Have you not heard every live letter since ARR. I can just see it now "blah blah servers blah blah rework the game blah blah have to move patch back blah blah insert another excuse here."
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  4. #44
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    Kissa Kotele
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    This request isn't unreasonable at all, FFXI (gasp) has a setting that makes other PCs load in wearing default racial gear for those that want it. If some people don't want to see what they consider ridiculous outfits I don't see the harm in adding an option that makes other characters load in level 1 starter gear or their class's AF or something. Sure some people might not get to see my personal expression but if they turned on that setting I doubt they cared about or would notice the personal flair in the first place. Having this as an -option- isn't a problem.
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  5. #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverObi View Post
    This request isn't unreasonable at all, FFXI (gasp) has a setting that makes other PCs load in wearing default racial gear for those that want it. If some people don't want to see what they consider ridiculous outfits I don't see the harm in adding an option that makes other characters load in level 1 starter gear or their class's AF or something. Sure some people might not get to see my personal expression but if they turned on that setting I doubt they cared about or would notice the personal flair in the first place. Having this as an -option- isn't a problem.
    If they do it I hope it would not default to the racial starter gear...because some of those are really not very immersive at all. The fem miqo gear...I do like it but it's not really appropriate for any class when you think of the sort of gear any of them wear in lore.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    In any case, glamour is just as critical to a lore-appropriate outfit as a novelty one. Is your tank looking lore-appropriate in the YoRHa dress or Shisui set? Your dancer in an outfit designed with machinist in mind? Your red mage in bulky wizard robes?
    This is an excellent point. A lot of gear with their base look do not look appropriate for the role that can equip them. Certainly dancers would never look like dancers at all given most ranged phys gear has been designed with brd/mch in mind, which have an entirely different aesthetic.
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  6. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugowulf View Post
    I mean I get it. Though that’s part of the experience, you don’t have to like everyone you meet.
    Thus, the blacklist feature. However, blacklisting is a bit drastic in this case and doesn't achieve the intended result. Hence asking for something more targeted. Really, it all comes down to how feasible/cost-efficient it is to implement; I don't think any other aspect of it is even up for debate.

    It does not harm the player on the receiving end in the slightest, since it just means you, the player, do not see their glamour. If the concern is how they'd look in screenshots, it can just blank them out or something.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 02-15-2020 at 11:10 AM.
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  7. #47
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    It does not harm the player on the receiving end in the slightest, since it just means you, the player, do not see their glamour. If the concern is how they'd look in screenshots, it can just blank them out or something.

    Or compromise no screen shots or streaming with the feature on. If SE can afford to implement.
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  8. #48
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    It's funny because it's essentially a reverse mod point of view. What to us is a normal every day plate armor chest, to someone using a mod it's a kinky harness. What to me would look like a nicely assembled matching outfit, to you would look like I dressed in the dark.
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  9. #49
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    Sophia Ladislava
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    I don't like fighting a losing battle... But I appreciate a good point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iscah View Post
    In any case, glamour is just as critical to a lore-appropriate outfit as a novelty one. Is your tank looking lore-appropriate in the YoRHa dress or Shisui set? Your dancer in an outfit designed with machinist in mind? Your red mage in bulky wizard robes?

    Gear can't simultaneously cater to the aesthetic of all the jobs that need to equip it, even if they didn't throw in novelty themed sets every so often.
    And that is one. If the game doesn't care enough to be consistent with the gear it provides individual classes, I suppose there's nothing to it.
    I guess I'm not immune to becoming blind to certain factors when I want to have my way in certain arguments.

    As I said prior, it was just wishful thinking, a wish that I never had any interest in voicing until the OP opened this thread.
    I'll withdraw from this thread now, as it will certainly become venomous if it lives for long enough.
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    Last edited by Odstarva; 02-15-2020 at 11:20 AM.
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  10. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nandrolone View Post
    You’re welcome to play a different MMO. Since it seems FFXIV just isn’t for you.
    That's a bit of a deceptive argument, no? Some of the more controversial/unrealistic glamour has been added over time and wasn't in the game at launch. It's also possible to enjoy the game itself but desire the tools required to make it that much more enjoyable on a personal level. Something which the development team have been doing if we take features such as 'easy mode' for solo duties into account.
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