Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[Divinemights]

But over all in WoW, espcially back then, there were a massive abundance of guilds willing to help and teach.

I am glad that you are; but unfortunately you are minority already
That may be true when 25 men raid is a thing, and me too, as a Paladin officer i will provided the assistance.
Game culture has changed
That is is simply not how humanity works at mass

[Angus-Beef]

I am glad that you are; but unfortunately you are minority already
That may be true when 25 men raid is a thing, and me too, as a Paladin officer i will provided the assistance.
Game culture has changed
That is is simply not how humanity works at mass

Player to play experiences vary greatly. What you have seen, what I have seen. Doesn;t matter. The issue rn with parsing is simple, just as it was back then in wow, too mnay lazy entitled players in the popular MMO who are mad they're being called out to not weight the group down, some people who call others out are mean, yes, but a decent amount of these situations aren't looked at with logic, they're looked at with emotion. Because of that they are usually blown way out of proportion, a GM gets involved, said person usually gets a warning for possibly being slightly harsh and the person who made the report feels better about themselves.

Now out of that situation several things happen, that lazy/bad player will not improve, they will continually be in that exact same situation with a myriad of different players, parsers and non-parsers, all will tell them to get better, they'll keep acting entitled to wasting others time and continue to keep doing it. The player who was reported will either go on to make sure to word things better or just refuse to help anymore, or become toxic to any player seen not pulling their weight.

As for my personal situation I've come from in WoW, I was ina raiding guild from Ulduar to mid ICC, they used recount as a means to yes, weed out the weaker raiders and replace them with more competent raider. My group that I was leading were filled with these raider who needed to improve, so I would fire up recount, take em to the dumy and give them the gold needed to respec and work on their talent build and rotation. my job was to spend hours if needed in my free time making sure everyone was optimal and doing properly.

This ofc is just one guild, one guild that wanted players to be optimal. This mentality also died as WoW grew bigger and the newer players became lazier and more self entitled. Parsers are in no way comparible to guns, but as a tool it shows facts, these facts are needed if any MMO community is to maintain a healthy raiding scene. Without them it would be hard to weed out these players who don;t realize that the needs of the group are always before the needs of self. Atm FF has amny smaller communities a lot of people don't notice because well, people like to not interact. But to say ACT hasn't helped and current;y isn't being used to help is a massive fallacy.

[Divinemights]

Player to play experiences vary greatly. What you have seen, what I have seen. Doesn;t matter. The issue rn with parsing is simple, just as it was back then in wow, too mnay lazy entitled players in the popular MMO who are mad they're being called out to not weight the group down, some people who call others out are mean, yes, but a decent amount of these situations aren't looked at with logic, they're looked at with emotion. Because of that they are usually blown way out of proportion, a GM gets involved, said person usually gets a warning for possibly being slightly harsh and the person who made the report feels better about themselves.

Now out of that situation several things happen, that lazy/bad player will not improve, they will continually be in that exact same situation with a myriad of different players, parsers and non-parsers, all will tell them to get better, they'll keep acting entitled to wasting others time and continue to keep doing it. The player who was reported will either go on to make sure to word things better or just refuse to help anymore, or become toxic to any player seen not pulling their weight.

As for my personal situation I've come from in WoW, I was ina raiding guild from Ulduar to mid ICC, they used recount as a means to yes, weed out the weaker raiders and replace them with more competent raider. My group that I was leading were filled with these raider who needed to improve, so I would fire up recount, take em to the dumy and give them the gold needed to respec and work on their talent build and rotation. my job was to spend hours if needed in my free time making sure everyone was optimal and doing properly.

This ofc is just one guild, one guild that wanted players to be optimal. This mentality also died as WoW grew bigger and the newer players became lazier and more self entitled. Parsers are in no way comparible to guns, but as a tool it shows facts, these facts are needed if any MMO community is to maintain a healthy raiding scene. Without them it would be hard to weed out these players who don;t realize that the needs of the group are always before the needs of self. Atm FF has amny smaller communities a lot of people don't notice because well, people like to not interact. But to say ACT hasn't helped and current;y isn't being used to help is a massive fallacy.

You are saying this, yet there are people that pull off Koike incident on a livest ream.
Is Miyu Koike a lazy raider or she is just being humiliated and harassed?
This is where the problem is, community does not see the positives that parsers can bring because of outweighed by all of the negatives

[QT_Melon]

You are saying this, yet there are people that pull off Koike incident on a livest ream.
Is Miyu Koike a lazy raider or she is just being humiliated and harassed?
This is where the problem is, community does not see the positives that parsers can bring because of outweighed by all of the negatives

There were no parsers involved at that point to be fair.

Though to also be fair people in Japan that are harassed are often harassed so that the person commits suicide.

[Avidria]

I am glad that you are; but unfortunately you are minority already
That may be true when 25 men raid is a thing, and me too, as a Paladin officer i will provided the assistance.
Game culture has changed
That is is simply not how humanity works at mass

Well that's a bit of a pessimistic view, and not one I really agree with. I'm more with the person you're quoting here... your experiences are not universal. Several people in my guild when I raided in Legion were more than willing to help people improve, and the one member we did kick for underperforming was given several chances to improve and willingly chose not to.

I'm not here to argue on the nature of humanity, and I'm sorry you've had enough negative experiences to see parsers as nothing more than a weapon to be used to cause harm (if I'm understanding your view correctly?), but that's not how I see them at all. They're a tool, but how they're used is entirely up to the person using them. And I've seen them used for good plenty of times, and most often during my 15+ years playing wow, they simply weren't mentioned at all. In my experience people generally didn't care outside of high end content as long as it looked like you were actually present and trying, and those who did were either full of themselves to begin with or were That One Guy who spams the meter after every pull in Shadowfang Keep because he's Cool Like That (you know the guy...) and that kinda nonsense is just that... nonsense. Not worth taking seriously more often than not.