Why do people say no?

[TheVedis]

Would you say no to this? http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...hing-like-this. I push things from mabinogi all the time, also from other games as well. Not just ffxi, soo, when I say something from ffxi should be in the game, that doesn't mean because it was in ffxi, it's because I enjoyed it and it worked well.

if you have good reasoning and state why, theres nothing wrong witht hat

but how many people only make posts and state things like
"we should have dynamis because final fantasy 11 had it and it was awesome"

and then leave the post at just that....way too many, and thats why its always being shot down

[Rokien]

Though you still say no when people give good reasons inside the thread why it should be implemented, like my signet thread.

[TheVedis]

Though you still say no when people give good reasons inside the thread why it should be implemented, like my signet thread.

in that case i personaly just did not like that system, we are getting different versions of "competitive play between nations" here im sure

your response to me is personal, so yeah....of course you dont like my answer here

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Though you still say no when people give good reasons inside the thread why it should be implemented, like my signet thread.

If you're going to suggest such things you need to really get into it. Not just suggest some system and a few points and go on about your nostalgia mumbo jumbo. State how it will work in this world, why it should be included, how it could be balanced, ect.

Most threads I read of yours are just suggesting things directly from XI and I don't find anything going on upstairs. I don't even think you know why you'd want it incorporated within Eorzea. You just cannot get over XI.

[TheVedis]

If you're going to suggest such things you need to really get into it. Not just suggest some system and a few points and go on about your nostalgia mumbo jumbo. State how it will work in this world, why it should be included, how it could be balanced, ect.

Most threads I read of yours are just suggesting things directly from XI and I don't find anything going on upstairs. I don't even think you know why you'd want it incorporated within Eorzea. You just cannot get over XI.

Exactly, a good example is me suggesting a dynamis like feature here

1) Is large scale combat to an extent, gets alot of people involved and takes a good ammount of time to do
2) its got several goals within it, so you dont have to go in just to go after a boss( mob drops are always nice, so you may focus on full clears, or go for a boss based on what you are trying to do)
3) if enough drops are added to it, you end up having it being a very longterm thing to do.

some changes made to it

1) do not give it a 3 day wait, give it a 1 day wait(remember its going to take hours to do so its not a bad idea to put a larger timer on it)


i could go on and on about how you could imp,ement a dynamis type system, but you basicaly gotta give it real thought instead of "i liked it in 11 please add it here"

"it was enjoyable isnt a valid reason, since of course you enjoyed it if you suggest it


the basic idea is to actualy put thought into it rather then spew off post afdter post of ideas from other games purely because they are from those games, you gotta sell the idea, not just present it

[Rokien]

If you're going to suggest such things you need to really get into it. Not just suggest some system and a few points and go on about your nostalgia mumbo jumbo. State how it will work in this world, why it should be included, how it could be balanced, ect.

Most threads I read of yours are just suggesting things directly from XI and I don't find anything going on upstairs. I don't even think you know why you'd want it incorporated within Eorzea. You just cannot get over XI.

Ya, you are right, I could elaborate more on my thoughts, though, I am lazy to do so. So, that's why I have others do that for me. If I don't present the idea, it might not get presented at all. That's what I do, nothing is wrong with that. In not one of my threads do I say anything about nostalgia, nor can you presume what I think or feel. FFXI was a great game, would I play it all over again? No, I wouldn't. I do however want this game to be just as good and rememberable soo I can have some of that nostalgia mumbo jumbo in this game, when I look back on it, not to recreate old memories.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

Ya, you are right, I could elaborate more on my thoughts, though, I am lazy to do so. So, that's why I have others do that for me. If I don't present the idea, it might not get presented at all. That's what I do, nothing is wrong with that. In not one of my threads do I say anything about nostalgia, nor can you presume what I think or feel. FFXI was a great game, would I play it all over again? No, I wouldn't. I do however want this game to be just as good and rememberable soo I can have some of that nostalgia mumbo jumbo in this game, when I look back on it, not to recreate old memories.

Now, we can go back to your OP with this now that we established that there is nothing going on upstairs. The percentages are actually pretty low and are pretty spread out. FFXI always comes out on top as highest percent, but that doesn't mean that collectively that whole region played XI, you see.

Also, those statistics are incredibly old at this point. However, we can still use this for right now... just not in the sense that you'd like it to and against the point you're trying to make. If collectively in the player's poll, more people have not played XI than have, why do you insist on making that the reference point? This just shuts other players out in the discussion. What we need to do is take inspiration from systems we know and enjoy and collectively give the guide lines of what we feel works as far as end game content goes and so on.

Loosely on what TheVedis said, take a system you know and you liked and explain the generic, and more importantly, universal points in why it would be beneficial to develop this type of content. It doesn't have to have a label. When you use key words like, "Dynamis" or, "Limbus", this doesn't segregate the spirit of the content from the actual image and feeling of left-over nostalgia, or in some people's cases, frustration. Not everyone liked XI. No offense, but I think it's very hard for people to separate the two. On top of confusing people who don't even know what those terms mean.

Again, try and describe the spirit of the content more. This hits members more affectively because it's not really tied to anything directly. You can keep your ideals in line with what you usually had fun with without the haters coming in shouting, "You just want FFXI-2." Maybe you do, maybe you don't. Still a good way to get over their heads though and it keeps others who haven't played that game feel included.

[viion]

if you have good reasoning and state why, theres nothing wrong witht hat

but how many people only make posts and state things like
"we should have dynamis because final fantasy 11 had it and it was awesome"

and then leave the post at just that....way too many, and thats why its always being shot down

Dynamis is not awesome, its an EVIL SIN THAT NEEDS TO DIE, because it wont drop my AF2 i need...

[TheVedis]

Dynamis is not awesome, its an EVIL SIN THAT NEEDS TO DIE, because it wont drop my AF2 i need...

it not only dropped the af2 i needed every time i went in, i even got the -1 versions on top of it for 5 seperate jobs in a few months times!
i loved it(im lucky as hell, dont forget, im also 4 for 7 on ifrit drops lol)

[yukikaze_yanagi]

dynamis was boring as hell on the long distance :X something less linear is welcome