SE: Holding back information won't stop criticism, it will only delay it and is bad.

[HiroesX81]

Id rather avoid more incidents where players get riled up for no reason without even having the patch thereby us experiencing a slew of forum posts freaking out over a job they havent played. (I.E. SB WHM Debacle). I mean theyll just tell you to play the job first and then give feed back. So better they do this instead.

[Deceptus]

Id rather avoid more incidents where players get riled up for no reason without even having the patch thereby us experiencing a slew of forum posts freaking out over a job they havent played. (I.E. SB WHM Debacle). I mean theyll just tell you to play the job first and then give feed back. So better they do this instead.

I'd rather have the information than not to be able to constructively criticize it. Because SE has a track record of making some VERY poor decisions.

I honestly and truly wish that wasn't the case, but unfortunately it is. The Battle System team is simply too small for as many jobs as there are.

[HiroesX81]

I'd rather have the information than not to be able to constructively criticize it. Because SE has a track record of making some VERY poor decisions.

I honestly and truly wish that wasn't the case, but unfortunately it is. The Battle System team is simply too small for as many jobs as there are.

Why tho? Unless its for an expansion the response is gonna be the same. Theyll wait for people to try out the job and listen to the feed back after. They use Savage as the main feedback for job changes. Not really much point in getting the info before.

[frostmagemari]

Why tho? Unless its for an expansion the response is gonna be the same. Theyll wait for people to try out the job and listen to the feed back after. They use Savage as the main feedback for job changes. Not really much point in getting the info before.

Gee.. it almost sounds like SQEX would benefit from a PTR. They would get the exact same kind of feedback from their players and could make changes before they flip the switch and potentially stop a large number of the angry threads from ever hitting the forums.

[Mahrze]

Gee.. it almost sounds like SQEX would benefit from a PTR. They would get the exact same kind of feedback from their players and could make changes before they flip the switch and potentially stop a large number of the angry threads from ever hitting the forums.

You have too much faith on them listening to PTR feedback.

Remember when SE thought it was a great idea to implement a GREED ONLY rule in all of the 24 mans? Yeah that was announced pre-patch and it was thoroughly lambasted and SE rightly had to reverse course shortly after implementation.

2.0 Warriors we were "playing wrong"
3.0 Bard Bow-Mage / AST were a mess along with Ninja. Remember when we were "doing it wrong then" as well?
4.0 WHM (useless Lilies) / SCH (Abysmal) / MCH / DRK (and monk a bit).
5.0 SCH was a mess.

I know I'm missing some situations.

So much of this can be attributed to SE's absolute defiance for a public test realm. They can't possibly predict how millions of people will react to their product but only having less than 25 people (being extremely generous) play test it, and only four job designers for 18 battle jobs, something is bound to fall through the cracks.

Some of these are being put in a hyperbole to prove a point. I don't disagree that holding back information is not a good stance to take, but we as a community have proven to be hyper-reactive to more things than we want to accept.

Media tour for 4.0 showed SAM potencies were leading people to believe SAM would be a super OP machine of deeps and look were that went. Media tour for 5.0, People chanted GNB would be DOA and look where its at. SE misses the mark a lot more often than they want to accept, I won't disagree with that. But I am not going to simply say "crucify them" when even if the "vocal minority" or however you want to call it is the one who makes matters worse before they make it better.

SE listens, stubbornly and in a limited scope but they do listen. Sometimes too much (Second rework of WAR in 4.2? and current AST Card woes). And something like a PTR won't really change the issues nor make sure "stuff doesn't slip through the cracks" because it will.

What I would much rather ask for is for job roadmaps and venues for direct feedback and a bigger combat/battle team instead of the (rumored/assumed) 4 people for 18 jobs.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Gee.. it almost sounds like SQEX would benefit from a PTR. They would get the exact same kind of feedback from their players and could make changes before they flip the switch and potentially stop a large number of the angry threads from ever hitting the forums.

Pretty sure most ptrs don't actually work the way people think they do.