Thank you Yoshi for your stance on DPS meters

[Thamorian]

I dare someone to say anything about my DPS. I will have them in GM jail so fast their head will spin.

What if your DPS is so bad that you are a detriment to the group? What if they are letting you know how bad your DPS is and they are trying to give you some feedback on how to do better? You gonna report them anyway for trying to help you? If thats the case, I suppose it would be better to just kick you from the group without telling you why. FF14 IS a multiplayer game, you performance in a group does affect other players in the group. If your personal DPS is low enough, it contributes to a group not clearing a fight or fights being agonizingly slow. I personally don't look forward to spending an extra 10 minutes in a dungeon because someone can't do a proper basic rotation. I certainly don't want to run a dungeon with the free-styling samurai or the ice mage.

[Vahlnir]

That has never been an issue with me. I main DNC, I am full augmented, I know my rotation, I usually blast my fellow DPS out of the water. What I am saying is it is no one's business to comment on how I play or to judge me based on their little program they are running.

I've never had complaints. I know my rotations. My DPS is fine. Thanks but no thanks, keep your comments to yourself. Last time I checked, I pay for sub, not anyone else. They have absolutely no right to say a thing to me, if they do, and I PERCEIVE it as harassment, I will happily make that case.

Depending on the content people have every right to say "hey, could you do x instead of y?" or "your rotation could use a little work", especially if it is holding the rest of the group back. And they don't need a mod or addon to tell if someone is...lacking. But there is obviously a right way and a wrong way to tell someone that they could improve.

If you are to be believed, however, then you fit the description of every person ever who has said "you don't pay my sub" (basically because you actually said it), which would technically be correct, but doesn't hold much water when playing an MMO in content that is reliant on everyone being on the same page. If you know your stuff, good for you. But not everyone is perfect, and that also includes you. Even you will make mistakes every now and then, and sometimes that may lead to criticism.

As long as it is constructive and civil I don't see any harm in it. Someone offering advice isn't always harassment.

[Thamorian]

That has never been an issue with me. I main DNC, I am full augmented, I know my rotation, I usually blast my fellow DPS out of the water. What I am saying is it is no one's business to comment on how I play or to judge me based on their little program they are running.

If you are as good as you say you are, well, thats good then. If anything, some people may be like "Hey Sylvi, your DPS was really good! That's awesome!" Would you report someone for that. There have certainly been times where I want to compliment someone's DPS but can't because talking with DPS meters is a no-no. But on the opposite side, if I see someone doing really poor on their DPS, if I have the time, I'll ask them if they want help with their rotation and if they say yes, I'll take the time to explain how their job plays. If I don't have the time but I see something I can quickly comment on for them to approve, I'll be like "Hey player, for RDM, you don't want to hard cast VerAero/VerThunder, you are supposed to cast those after casting Jolt/VerStone/VerFire since those are 2 second casts and give you the ability to instant cast your next spell" or "For large mob pulls, you'll want to cast VerAero 2/VerThunder 2 then Scatter and just keep repeating that. Doing that is 120 potency x 8 enemies for 960 potency total so it's a lot stronger overall."

I don't know how well you actually perform. I see on a certain site that there are a couple logs listed for you but thats not enough information to come to a conclusion, they could just be bad runs where you are otherwise normally a lot better. Everyone gets those sort of bad runs. But there's a lot of people in this game who think they have awesome DPS and if someone tries to let them know they have a lot of room for improvement, their response is "You don't pay mysub!" They just think they're the bees knees. If someone is happy with their performance, well then there is nothing that can be taught to them as they just won't listen or don't care. These sort of people really could do with installing a DPS meter themself and seeing just how bad they are performing when compared to others. If after seeing their own performance, they are still happy with how they perform, well, more power to them I guess?

(For one of your later posts since you deleted it while I was still typing) Yeah who we get in DF is who we get. Doesn't mean I can't try and kick the lazy ones, and I mean the ones who just aren't doing anything, going afk, only using one button after being told a basic rotation for their job (see example above), or not using a key component of their kit after being asked to but refusing to or ignoring other party members. I might even try to kick the toxic "You don't pay my sub!" players.

Not that long ago I was in a dungeon and I noticed getting to the first boss took way to long, long like we were missing a DPS. I was watching the DPS and seeing what they were doing. First DPS was fine, looked to be doing everything correctly from what I could tell. Other DPS, I noticed the Ninja didn't have Huton on so I watched them a bit closer. Don't know what they were doing but it didn't look like they were playing ninja. In a polite way, right after killing the first boss, I asked them if they could use huton and let them know why they should. They just never responded back to my advice. They may or may not of been doing a 123 combo, I don't remember that part. After asking them immediately after killing the first boss to getting to the 2nd boss and they still refused to acknowledge my advice and not having huton on at all and the pull still being slow, I initiated a vote kick and it went through, with both other party members agreeing in chat afterwards. Would it have mattered if I used a DPS meter here to tell the ninja was doing extremely poorly, with only pulling, for example (cause I don't know actual numbers) 1.5k DPS, being equivalent to auto-attacks only (making up numbers here). Should the party carry this person just because they came in through DF?

What if I join a group for current extreme trial through party finder as a DPS and the party leader is, knowingly or unknowingly to me, running a DPS meter. What if I can do all the mechanics properly and not die once but my DPS is 3k whether it's due to my gear or my not playing my job properly when the low end average is 8k DPS. 8k is pretty easy to get and most people can get this with Allagan Tomestone of Goetia gear (or even the ilvl 430 relic gear and ilvl 430 accessories from first lvl 80 dungeon)and knowing basics of their jobs and press all their buttons, and I really do mean just a basic understanding of them job. Should the party put up with me and carry me? Should the party disband because the they aren't allowed to kick you based on my DPS number? EX Trial boss keeps hitting enrage at 8% health and party leader can see I am performing far below everyone else including tanks and healer, I am essentially dead weight. Seems unfair to me they have to treat me as if I was pulling my weight, even in this world of participation trophies.

And this part is for anyone and everyone, don't be afraid to take constructive criticism. It's human nature to overestimate your abilities and Dunning-Kruger Effect is a real thing. First step is to recognize and accept that you may not be as good as you think you and realize there is always ways to improve.

[Liam_Harper]

I dare someone to say anything about my DPS. I will have them in GM jail so fast their head will spin.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but for anything other than blatantly mentioning third party, or excessive swearing, the GM's won't come and babysit you. They aren't your personal guardians and Yoshi hasn't set any stance dealing with overall toxicity ingame. Just third party and dps specifically.

"lol learn to play RDM before queuing plz" - won't get someone a ban for example.
"why do RDM's always suck so much?" - nope, probably won't get a ban.
"wth RDM, a rez sometime this year would be nice?" - probably won't get a ban.
"Hey Sylvi, just glancing at my meter and noticed your dps could be higher, pm me after this run if you'd like some tips " will get them the ban immediately.

Enjoy.

[Melichoir]

I dare someone to say anything about my DPS. I will have them in GM jail so fast their head will spin.

Most veteran players can tell when your DPS sucks without a meter. It's things like are you using positionals? Keeping dots up? Keeping your buffs up? Using oGCDs? Doing your ABCs? Actually using DPS spells? Not spamming one skill over and over and over? Slide Casting when necessary? etc.

It's not that hard to make sound judgement calls in this game if you got enough experience simply because unfortunately people who phone it in are so prevalent at times that it isnt hard to spot.

[Hash_Browns]

I've never had complaints. I know my rotations. My DPS is fine. Thanks but no thanks, keep your comments to yourself. Last time I checked, I pay for sub, not anyone else. They have absolutely no right to say a thing to me, if they do, and I PERCEIVE it as harassment, I will happily make that case.

It's honestly people like you that need ACT the most, I feel.
You honestly have no idea if you are doing well or not.

[Penthea]

I dare someone to say anything about my DPS. I will have them in GM jail so fast their head will spin.

GMs will only take action if harassment (insults, stalking, etc) takes place or if third party tools are mentioned. If someone simply says "your dps needs to be better" they're not going to jail.

Sorry to break it to you, but you're not untouchable.