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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    Yes, and therein lies the exact reason that you are wrong, as I quite clearly pointed out in my above post. Skill speed affects the recast timers on weaponskills, of which all but Unleash and Stalwart Soul for Dark Knight are. This means that SkS directly translates to your GCD timer and, that if you have little to none of the stat, that your GCD will be too long to be able to fit in the 5th GCD under both Blood Weapon and Delirium. This amounts to, as I once again pointed out in my above post, an extremely large amount of lost potency and DPS over the course of a fight. Thus making SkS a stat that DRK requires in moderate amounts in order to properly function (Around the 1,550-ish mark).

    So, due to this, SkS very much does affect your "actual" damage output.
    Except you could achieve the exact same result by ignoring Skill Speed in the first place until we get to a certain point in ilvl where skill speed become desirable, but that won't be until ilvl 500 or later which at that point you're already waiting for info on when the next expansion is going to drop...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    Except you could achieve the exact same result by ignoring Skill Speed in the first place until we get to a certain point in ilvl where skill speed become desirable, but that won't be until ilvl 500 or later which at that point you're already waiting for info on when the next expansion is going to drop...
    No you cannot because as I already explained you are directly losing potency by not having enough SkS to hit the 5th GCD of your respective buffs. That is a 100% direct DPS loss due to incorrect melds and ilvl makes no difference to this. In fact, ilvl only aids SkS because it means you have to spend a smaller and smaller amount of your overall stat budget to achieve your desired SkS tier, leaving an overall higher percentage of your stat pool for crit, DH, and Det.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    No you cannot because as I already explained you are directly losing potency by not having enough SkS to hit the 5th GCD of your respective buffs. That is a 100% direct DPS loss due to incorrect melds and ilvl makes no difference to this. In fact, ilvl only aids SkS because it means you have to spend a smaller and smaller amount of your overall stat budget to achieve your desired SkS tier, leaving an overall higher percentage of your stat pool for crit, DH, and Det.
    If skill speed does not affect the potency of weaponskills and abilities that do not have DoT effect, then it's not worth stacking skill speed.

    EDIT:if I could change my forum user name, I would do it without a second thought just because of boring DRK is with how slow it's recast timers for damage oGCDs, spells, and the fact that DRK only has 1 combo like WAR, and PLD to an extent, and the only tank that has more than 1 combo is GNB...
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    Last edited by DRKoftheAzure; 02-09-2020 at 01:42 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    If skill speed does not affect the potency of weaponskills and abilities that are not DoT, then it's not worth stacking skill speed.

    EDIT:if I could change my forum user name, I would do it without a second thought just because of boring DRK is with how slow it's recast timers for damage oGCDs, spells, and the fact that DRK only has 1 combo like WAR, and PLD to an extent, and the only tank that has more than 1 combo is GNB...
    Skill speed DOES affect weaponskills that are not DoTs, as it increases the speed at which your GCD rolls and, due to that, it allows you to hit the maximum number of possible GCDs within Blood Weapon and Delirium. Hitting less GCDs than the maximum possible under these buffs is a direct DPS loss, which means that if you do not have the proper amount of SkS you are not capable of hitting all 5 GCDs under them, and, as such, you are LOSING DPS because of it. This is an extremely simple concept and I cannot fathom why you are so adamant on defending your point when it is objectively and mathematically incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    Skill speed DOES affect weaponskills that are not DoTs, as it increases the speed at which your GCD rolls and, due to that, it allows you to hit the maximum number of possible GCDs within Blood Weapon and Delirium. Hitting less GCDs than the maximum possible under these buffs is a direct DPS loss, which means that if you do not have the proper amount of SkS you are not capable of hitting all 5 GCDs under them, and, as such, you are LOSING DPS because of it. This is an extremely simple concept and I cannot fathom why you are so adamant on defending your point when it is objectively and mathematically incorrect.
    Except you could already hit those 5 GCDs without any skill speed gains to begin with. and it's not that hard to pop Blood Weapon after you did "discount Inner Release spam"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    Except you could already hit those 5 GCDs without any skill speed gains to begin with. and it's not that hard to pop Blood Weapon after you did "discount Inner Release spam"
    Once again incorrect. The lowest possible SkS tier that it is possible to hit 5 GCDs under Blood Weapon is 2.43, and that is under the assumption that you have low ping and every single time you hit BW you weave it absolutely perfectly without the faintest hint of clipping the GCD. As this level of perfection is not possible, you would naturally want to go higher. The slowest that most people find they are able to hit 5 GCDs under Blood Weapon is 2.40 GCD, however, after my own testing in a tank DPS calculator, this comes out to a mere 10 DPS gain over 2.38 GCD with the slightly higher SkS (and thus more comfy & lenient BW timings). What this means is that the lowest GCD timer you should be aiming for at all is 2.40, however this also depends on fights as well. For instance, if you are running 2.40 and the boss does a mechanic during your opener which means you have to back away and miss a GCD under raid buffs, but you are able to hit that GCD under raid buffs before leaving the boss at 2.38 then you have an overall DPS gain by using 2.38 over 2.40 (this is a situation that occurs in Titania EX, for instance).

    TL;DR SkS is good and your understandings of the job/stats are flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    Once again incorrect. The lowest possible SkS tier that it is possible to hit 5 GCDs under Blood Weapon is 2.43, and that is under the assumption that you have low ping and every single time you hit BW you weave it absolutely perfectly without the faintest hint of clipping the GCD. As this level of perfection is not possible, you would naturally want to go higher. The slowest that most people find they are able to hit 5 GCDs under Blood Weapon is 2.40 GCD, however, after my own testing in a tank DPS calculator, this comes out to a mere 10 DPS gain over 2.38 GCD with the slightly higher SkS (and thus more comfy & lenient BW timings). What this means is that the lowest GCD timer you should be aiming for at all is 2.40, however this also depends on fights as well. For instance, if you are running 2.40 and the boss does a mechanic during your opener which means you have to back away and miss a GCD under raid buffs, but you are able to hit that GCD under raid buffs before leaving the boss at 2.38 then you have an overall DPS gain by using 2.38 over 2.40 (this is a situation that occurs in Titania EX, for instance).

    TL;DR SkS is good and your understandings of the job/stats are flawed.
    In that case, you aren't that good at timing GCD presses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    In that case, you aren't that good at timing GCD presses...
    I refuse to believe you aren't blatantly trolling at this point. The only two possibilities are that you're trolling or that you legitimately believe that objectively impossible things are, in fact, possible. So to save my own sanity I'm going to just assume you're a horrifically bad troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    I refuse to believe you aren't blatantly trolling at this point. The only two possibilities are that you're trolling or that you legitimately believe that objectively impossible things are, in fact, possible. So to save my own sanity I'm going to just assume you're a horrifically bad troll.
    Funny, because that says more about you than it does me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    In that case, you aren't that good at timing GCD presses...
    Bruh, after looking at your most recent DRK log for e2s, you can't even be bothered to use blood weapon on cooldown! and at that, of the five times you used it in that eight minute fight, you missed to get the full 5 hits every single time. How can you possibly say skill speed doesn't matter? If you're missing the 5th hit consistently, you're missing out DPS. It doens't matter how hard you're hitting with those direct crits if you're losing out on a couple EoSs and blood spillers.
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