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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    Skill speed DOES affect weaponskills that are not DoTs, as it increases the speed at which your GCD rolls and, due to that, it allows you to hit the maximum number of possible GCDs within Blood Weapon and Delirium. Hitting less GCDs than the maximum possible under these buffs is a direct DPS loss, which means that if you do not have the proper amount of SkS you are not capable of hitting all 5 GCDs under them, and, as such, you are LOSING DPS because of it. This is an extremely simple concept and I cannot fathom why you are so adamant on defending your point when it is objectively and mathematically incorrect.
    Except you could already hit those 5 GCDs without any skill speed gains to begin with. and it's not that hard to pop Blood Weapon after you did "discount Inner Release spam"
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    Except you could already hit those 5 GCDs without any skill speed gains to begin with. and it's not that hard to pop Blood Weapon after you did "discount Inner Release spam"
    Once again incorrect. The lowest possible SkS tier that it is possible to hit 5 GCDs under Blood Weapon is 2.43, and that is under the assumption that you have low ping and every single time you hit BW you weave it absolutely perfectly without the faintest hint of clipping the GCD. As this level of perfection is not possible, you would naturally want to go higher. The slowest that most people find they are able to hit 5 GCDs under Blood Weapon is 2.40 GCD, however, after my own testing in a tank DPS calculator, this comes out to a mere 10 DPS gain over 2.38 GCD with the slightly higher SkS (and thus more comfy & lenient BW timings). What this means is that the lowest GCD timer you should be aiming for at all is 2.40, however this also depends on fights as well. For instance, if you are running 2.40 and the boss does a mechanic during your opener which means you have to back away and miss a GCD under raid buffs, but you are able to hit that GCD under raid buffs before leaving the boss at 2.38 then you have an overall DPS gain by using 2.38 over 2.40 (this is a situation that occurs in Titania EX, for instance).

    TL;DR SkS is good and your understandings of the job/stats are flawed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    Once again incorrect. The lowest possible SkS tier that it is possible to hit 5 GCDs under Blood Weapon is 2.43, and that is under the assumption that you have low ping and every single time you hit BW you weave it absolutely perfectly without the faintest hint of clipping the GCD. As this level of perfection is not possible, you would naturally want to go higher. The slowest that most people find they are able to hit 5 GCDs under Blood Weapon is 2.40 GCD, however, after my own testing in a tank DPS calculator, this comes out to a mere 10 DPS gain over 2.38 GCD with the slightly higher SkS (and thus more comfy & lenient BW timings). What this means is that the lowest GCD timer you should be aiming for at all is 2.40, however this also depends on fights as well. For instance, if you are running 2.40 and the boss does a mechanic during your opener which means you have to back away and miss a GCD under raid buffs, but you are able to hit that GCD under raid buffs before leaving the boss at 2.38 then you have an overall DPS gain by using 2.38 over 2.40 (this is a situation that occurs in Titania EX, for instance).

    TL;DR SkS is good and your understandings of the job/stats are flawed.
    In that case, you aren't that good at timing GCD presses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    In that case, you aren't that good at timing GCD presses...
    I refuse to believe you aren't blatantly trolling at this point. The only two possibilities are that you're trolling or that you legitimately believe that objectively impossible things are, in fact, possible. So to save my own sanity I'm going to just assume you're a horrifically bad troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy_Pyre View Post
    I refuse to believe you aren't blatantly trolling at this point. The only two possibilities are that you're trolling or that you legitimately believe that objectively impossible things are, in fact, possible. So to save my own sanity I'm going to just assume you're a horrifically bad troll.
    Funny, because that says more about you than it does me...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DRKoftheAzure View Post
    In that case, you aren't that good at timing GCD presses...
    Bruh, after looking at your most recent DRK log for e2s, you can't even be bothered to use blood weapon on cooldown! and at that, of the five times you used it in that eight minute fight, you missed to get the full 5 hits every single time. How can you possibly say skill speed doesn't matter? If you're missing the 5th hit consistently, you're missing out DPS. It doens't matter how hard you're hitting with those direct crits if you're losing out on a couple EoSs and blood spillers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    Bruh, after looking at your most recent DRK log for e2s, you can't even be bothered to use blood weapon on cooldown! and at that, of the five times you used it in that eight minute fight, you missed to get the full 5 hits every single time. How can you possibly say skill speed doesn't matter? If you're missing the 5th hit consistently, you're missing out DPS. It doens't matter how hard you're hitting with those direct crits if you're losing out on a couple EoSs and blood spillers.
    I haven't even done E2S let alone cleared E1S on GNB. Not sure where you're getting that info from...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArianeEwah View Post
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