Let's talk about placing markers during fights.

[Gemina]

I can shake my finger at the cheaters all I want, but that doesn't get us any results and it's not my job. It's SE's job to do something about the cheaters without punishing the non-cheaters.

Says who? Where can I find this fine print?

When something such as this that has been embedded for so long into game play gets abused and discovered, there really isn't a way around making both those with good and ill intent suffer the consequences. You can blame the devs all you want, but you can thank the cheaters for creating a lose/lose situation in the first place. This has zero effect on those who didn't put such methods into practice, which I would say is very modest portion of the entire playerbase. If you've been forced onto the other side of the fence, /welcome. Plenty of room here.

I know you didn't mention this, but I also keep seeing alliance raids come up. Curious. Those markers only go up... maybe half the time? Before or during the fight. Spawn points are never randomized either. Most of the time, most know where to go, but there is always a few ants in the wrong colony, you know? All part of the fun of alliance raids.

[VenKitsune]

So bake an anti-cheat into the game and add it to the EULA. Just like other games. The dont ask, dont tell policy is ridiculous.

How would they do that?

ACT, as a damage meter, only READS the games data, much like how you yourself might read a word document, its basically impossible to detect and an anti-cheat would not serve it, not to mention it'd cost them A LOT of money to maintain, especially on consoles.

[ReiMakoto]

So bake an anti-cheat into the game and add it to the EULA. Just like other games. The dont ask, dont tell policy is ridiculous.

You say this, but cracking down and removing the dont ask dont tell policy will effectively kill a large portion of active raiders

[Bsrking5]

I figure I'll just chime in with my thoughts and I'm sorry if it's already out there, I'm not reading every post.
Before it's actually implemented there are 2 ways I can see reducing its effect on the general player base because the top 1% are abusing it.

1. just limit this to just the hardest content of SE discretion.
2. Add a delay lock function of like 15-30 second at fight start to give sometime for basic waypoint placements for the easier fights.

Can't have nice things because someone has to ruin it for the rest...

[Hyperia]

I feel like we are back in elementary school and the whole class looses recess because somebody cheated on their test. If they are so concerned with cheating, punish the cheaters, not everybody else. If they can’t catch the cheaters then don’t punish us because instead.

This group punishment thing is a terribly bad idea. What next? Them dealing with the ilevel thing on 24s by removing all exp from the alliance roulette?

[Gemina]

I feel like we are back in elementary school and the whole class looses recess because somebody cheated on their test. If they are so concerned with cheating, punish the cheaters, not everybody else. If they can’t catch the cheaters then don’t punish us because instead.

This group punishment thing is a terribly bad idea. What next? Them dealing with the ilevel thing on 24s by removing all exp from the alliance roulette?

In school, if a student (almost always plural though) abuses a privilege, it is taken away. The intent is not to punish those who are playing by the rules; it is taken away because one or more students have shown that they cannot be responsible or respectful with that privilege. This is one of the earliest lessons most of us learn in school (at least for old timers like me), which teaches us how our actions can have consequences that affect others.

What's really unfortunate is that SE has to resort to such methods. The community is comprised of mostly adults who don't know how to behave like one. Selfish and entitled peeps who don't care about others, and especially what the devs go through. The quality and state of an mmo is quite often a mirror reflection of its playerbase. Keep that in mind.

[Hash_Browns]

I don't really understand why they removed the ability to place markers during combat. They were so damn close to resolving the third party issue. Being able to save & load presets would have just completely removed the need for the third party application to do it for you, especially if you could just drag and drop them to a hotbar.

They were so close to solving the issue, and not causing any more issues.

[Penthea]

In school, if a student (almost always plural though) abuses a privilege, it is taken away. The intent is not to punish those who are playing by the rules; it is taken away because one or more students have shown that they cannot be responsible or respectful with that privilege. This is one of the earliest lessons most of us learn in school (at least for old timers like me), which teaches us how our actions can have consequences that affect others.

What's really unfortunate is that SE has to resort to such methods. The community is comprised of mostly adults who don't know how to behave like one. Selfish and entitled peeps who don't care about others, and especially what the devs go through. The quality and state of an mmo is quite often a mirror reflection of its playerbase. Keep that in mind.

I'm honestly annoyed that SE are getting more hate than the players who abused the mark system to such a strong degree that SE had no choice but to step in and change how they work.

I understand why people are frustrated, because the change is going to force some teams who never cheated to do things differently and maybe even with more difficulty. But instead of getting angry with SE for taking action against cheaters, players should direct their anger to the actual offenders. They are why this is happening. Sure you could say SE could have just left them alone but then if that particular method of abusing the markers became commonplace players would be raging at SE for not taking action earlier. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

It is my hope that some clever people will have their good suggestions for improving the marking system (while still disabling cheating) will be heard and those suggested changes will soon be seen in the game.

[Brightamethyst]

It's decisions like this that make me assume no one on the dev team actually plays the game. That's the only way some of these things make any sense.

[LolitaBansheeMeru]

I'm honestly annoyed that SE are getting more hate than the players who abused the mark system to such a strong degree that SE had no choice but to step in and change how they work.

I understand why people are frustrated, because the change is going to force some teams who never cheated to do things differently and maybe even with more difficulty. But instead of getting angry with SE for taking action against cheaters, players should direct their anger to the actual offenders. They are why this is happening. Sure you could say SE could have just left them alone but then if that particular method of abusing the markers became commonplace players would be raging at SE for not taking action earlier. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

It is my hope that some clever people will have their good suggestions for improving the marking system (while still disabling cheating) will be heard and those suggested changes will soon be seen in the game.

Well if Se gave a list of the players name that did abuse it people would give them just as much hate but for the most part hardly anyone knows of anyone who have done it lol so can't really expected ppl to give those players hate without names but if people are abusing a system in any game you don't change the system you ban those players and be done with it there is no reason to change a system because a select few of players lol