5.0 Dark knight request: Delirium rework

[Lucy_Pyre]

TBN is only really good in Ultimate like a lot of people have said, but I wouldn't know since it's not content I would run regularly, especially if I were to main DRK this expansion, and with this expansion killing fun for most tanks, DRK especially, it killed any possibility of me running Ultimate and maybe Savage...

And like you said TBN is really good if there is a lot of outgoing damage from the enemies... but there lies the first problem; "IF" not "WHEN"

No, that's blatantly wrong. TBN is good in, frankly, every piece of content. It may shine the hardest in Ultimate but that's simply because of how much damage is going out in that content. The skill is still the single most powerful mitigation skill in the entire game, regardless of whether you're in Ultimate, Savage, Extreme, or level cap dungeons. The "if, not when" argument doesn't work because you have complete control and freedom on TBN's time of usage, nulling that counterargument entirely.

[DRKoftheAzure]

You could've saved your entire post there, everything you just wrote ignores the practical use and the facts I stated in my previous post.

Go out there and find cases where TBN does not cause a damage loss and still provides more eHPS DRK vs. WAR in a 5.1 savage fight. Until then you're proven wrong, nothing else. That just shows you have no practical experience with NF.

I think Lucy_Pyre is just butt hurt that they are being told that they are wrong... but I have been wrong before...

EDIT: Lucy Pyre is butt hurt that they are being told that they are wrong...

[Lucy_Pyre]

You could've saved your entire post there, everything you just wrote ignores the practical use and the facts I stated in my previous post.

Go out there and find cases where TBN does not cause a damage loss and still provides more eHPS DRK vs. WAR in a 5.1 savage fight. Until then you're proven wrong, nothing else. That just shows you have no practical experience with NF.

My guy, you have not proven anything. If you read my prior post you will see that I showed exactly how TBN provides more eHP than NF. I explained it quite clearly and even gave numbers to back it up. The only time TBN provides a damage loss is if it does not break, and even boss AUTO ATTACKS in EX/Savage will break the shield. So if you aren't having TBN break in that level of content then that is 100% a problem with how you are using the ability, and you should improve upon it. There's a reason that TBN pre-pull is standard for DRK, because you can TBN yourself and then immediately pull the boss, and the first two auto attacks that the boss does will proceed to immediately break the shield. So, in other words, you need to use the ability properly.

[Lucy_Pyre]

I think Lucy_Pyre is just butt hurt that they are being told that they are wrong... but I have been wrong before...

EDIT: Lucy Pyre is butt hurt that they are being told that they are wrong...

No, I'm trying to explain to someone who has an objectively flawed understanding of how the game and abilities work how, in fact, the game and abilities work. You simply can't accept that you're wrong even when raw numbers are shown to you.

[DRKoftheAzure]

No, I'm trying to explain to someone who has an objectively flawed understanding of how the game and abilities work how, in fact, the game and abilities work. You simply can't accept that you're wrong even when raw numbers are shown to you.

People are going to choose the path of least resistance for anything, which in MMOs means how many GCD healing spells is the mimimum amount for healers if nobody messes up mechanics. For DRK; what is the minimum amount of TBNs do they need. PLD; can they not use Clemency.

Then you have fights where some of the mechanics are too complicated/random that you do "stack in middle" strat...

[Lucy_Pyre]

People are going to choose the path of least resistance for anything, which in MMOs means how many GCD healing spells is the mimimum amount for healers if nobody messes up mechanics. For DRK; what is the minimum amount of TBNs do they need. PLD; can they not use Clemency.

Then you have fights where some of the mechanics are too complicated/random that you do "stack in middle" strat...

Bruh, you literally cannot compare TBN to Clemency. They work ENTIRELY differently. Clemency is an on-GCD ability that comes at a direct cost to a cut in the Paladin's total DPS output. The Blackest Night is an off-GCD ability that, when used properly (Read: Which should be every use of it) is 2x as mana efficient as Edge/Flood of Shadow, as that 3,000 MP is not only mitigating 37k eHP worth of damage, but it is giving you Dark Arts which allows you to then use EoS/FoS for free. Clemency is a DPS loss at any time that it is used while TBN is a DPS loss only when it is used improperly and does not break, the two abilities are not comparable in the slightest.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Bruh, you literally cannot compare TBN to Clemency. They work ENTIRELY differently. Clemency is an on-GCD ability that comes at a direct cost to a cut in the Paladin's total DPS output. The Blackest Night is an off-GCD ability that, when used properly (Read: Which should be every use of it) is 2x as mana efficient as Edge/Flood of Shadow, as that 3,000 MP is not only mitigating 37k eHP worth of damage, but it is giving you Dark Arts which allows you to then use EoS/FoS for free. Clemency is a DPS loss at any time that it is used while TBN is a DPS loss only when it is used improperly and does not break, the two abilities are not comparable in the slightest.

If I can't compare Clemency to TBN, then you shouldn't compare TBN with Nascent Flash

[Lucy_Pyre]

If I can't compare Clemency to TBN, then you shouldn't compare TBN with Nascent Flash

Wrong, because Nascent Flash and The Blackest Night are both off-GCD abilities that are used for the same purpose. Clemency, while it is used for the same purpose, is ON the GCD and as such is cannot be compared to either of these two abilities. Combine this with the fact that TBN gives DA that allows you to use your DPS mana-spender while Clemency does no such thing and it further enforces the point that these abilities are not comparable, as they serve objectively different purposes for their respective jobs. TBN is a core ability to Dark Knight while Clemency is a spell that sees only niche use with the Paladin. They do not serve the same function and as such can not be directly compared against one another.

[DRKoftheAzure]

Wrong, because Nascent Flash and The Blackest Night are both off-GCD abilities that are used for the same purpose. Clemency, while it is used for the same purpose, is ON the GCD and as such is cannot be compared to either of these two abilities. Combine this with the fact that TBN gives DA that allows you to use your DPS mana-spender while Clemency does no such thing and it further enforces the point that these abilities are not comparable, as they serve objectively different purposes for their respective jobs. TBN is a core ability to Dark Knight while Clemency is a spell that sees only niche use with the Paladin. They do not serve the same function and as such can not be directly compared against one another.

Then I should be allowed to compare Clemency to TBN since they both use MP by your logic, just like how you compare Nascent Flash to TBN since they serve the same purpose.

[Lucy_Pyre]

Then I should be allowed to compare Clemency to TBN since they both use MP by your logic, just like how you compare Nascent Flash to TBN since they serve the same purpose.

I quite literally in the post you quoted explained why TBN and Clemency are not comparable to one another. I suggest that you learn to read.