5.0 Dark knight request: Delirium rework

[shao32]

update for 5.2 live letter:

well ppl as i fully expected DRK has been complety ignored from the live letter, not a single mention about him even with this thread requesting a rework and at minimun a mention on the live letter, there is no hope for shadowbringers DRK.

Dear yoshi-p, i want to let you know how frustrating is our feedback being complety ignored after months gathering support to make the job we love better and more fun/playable for the ones that spend years having fun with it before shadowbringers, i ask you to have more respect for us the veterans of the job in the future and want to make you understand that being ignored lead to a great frustation and unnecesary hostility specially on big request like this one. this request will remain the entire expansion if it have to, thanks and have a nice day.

attentively shao kuraishensi.

[Lucy_Pyre]

update for 5.2 live letter:

well ppl as i fully expected DRK has been complety ignored from the live letter, not a single mention about him even with this thread requesting a rework and at minimun a mention on the live letter, there is no hope for shadowbringers DRK.

Dear yoshi-p, i want to let you know how frustrating is our feedback being complety ignored after months gathering support to make the job we love better and more fun/playable for the ones that spend years having fun with it before shadowbringers, i ask you to have more respect for us the veterans of the job in the future and want to make you understand that being ignored lead to a great frustation and unnecesary hostility specially on big request like this one. this request will remain the entire expansion if it have to, thanks and have a nice day.

attentively shao kuraishensi.

It was foolish to expect changes to DRK, or any tank, for 5.2. The current balance between the tanks is (mostly) extremely well done and it doesn't surprise me that SE is unwilling to touch it. Both RDM and SMN were much higher priority targets to have changes made for them. I wouldn't expect any tank changes until 5.3/5.4 at the earliest.

[shao32]

It was foolish to expect changes to DRK, or any tank, for 5.2. The current balance between the tanks is (mostly) extremely well done and it doesn't surprise me that SE is unwilling to touch it. Both RDM and SMN were much higher priority targets to have changes made for them. I wouldn't expect any tank changes until 5.3/5.4 at the earliest.

well acording to this balance is not a excuse to stop doing things properly, and since i consider they failed on every point meaby the abandom this way of think. still considering that DRK is busted against magic encounters and encounters with more that 2 targets aka the most recent adition T.E.A the balance is not as good as we can belive.

since this request and DRK complains are a question of gameplay feeling more than performance i don't consider they have any real excuse to don't do it after months of feedback and complains, but we are talking about DRK the only job that won't get gameplay adjustments mid expansion bcs reasons while the rest of the jobs get theirs even being balanced example 4.2 WAR.

[LastRavenX]

While a rework would be nice this is the most balanced tanks have been since the start. While dark players have had the bulk of their job changed from heavensward to stormblood to shadowbringer changes the dev team have finally achieved balance in the power struggle. Not comparing jobs or saying your wrong, I'm simply saying there are jobs that are in a much worse state and just feel unfun to play because they're not only bad damage wise but bad mechanically. Yes dark is not what it use to be but atleast its never been the worse tank of a expansion and it's never had to deal with just being left out (3.0 and mostly 4.0 PLD). I'd say wait for the dark changes and let the dev team really think about how to keep it balanced but make it more fun to play and stop trying to rush the process.

[LastRavenX]

Also a lot of people keep forgetting SE's goal is to lower skill gap but raise skill ceiling. All the new changes are based around people who are new to jobs being able to adjust to them. Dark knight might have a easy learning curve but it still has a high skill ceiling when it comes to optimizing. SE won't make any drastic changes that will ruin this setup they're going for. Small learning curves, everyone can do them combos and simple ocd buttons.

[PeacefulEdge]

Not trying to be mean:

1-Some people are not "rushing" the process, in fact they have been waiting years ( HW DrK mains).

2-DrK does have an easy learning curve, albeit it has the skill ceilling of a min-sized lalafell.

[shao32]

actually DRK was the worst tank by a mile on stormblood due having no utility at all outside of single target TBN + laugable dps, and it was pretty much a useless utility compared to PLD one while raid mitigation was way more usefull making WAR being better than DRK, but his gameplay was fine and fun outside of the dark arts meme, if DRK get dark missionary earlier like on 4.2 the job wouln't being roasted the way it was.

i want to point that DRK have no high skill ceiling when optimizing, the job is so simple the only worry is keep everything on recast and spend your MP under raid buffs aka blood weapon windows and the only optimization part is the first 10s of the opener, basically a joke to play now with the bitter taste of having no internal sinergy whatsoever with his own buffs/mechanics mostly since half of them are copy pasted from other jobs.

since the devs have access to our feedback and being asked to the infinity that many PPL wanted the heavensward gameplay feeling back what they did with the job was a pure act of laziness by removing all his unique mechanics and proceed to copy pasted the rest, there is no future for DRK gameplay if they keep such process of removing the job gameplay identity and take as a base the WAR one.

[PeacefulEdge]

Btw DrK fulfills the chart from adove

1 Never forget the fans: Doesnt imply to do what they crave for.

2 Fun comes first: Fun can take many forms so you wont ever be wrong and if some people dont like it, other Will.

3 Never back down: Insert Urianger's quote of the trailer.

4 Dont forget your roots: must be incinerated and the ashes thrown to the deepest ravine you can find.

[EpicOverlord85]

Also a lot of people keep forgetting SE's goal is to lower skill gap but raise skill ceiling. All the new changes are based around people who are new to jobs being able to adjust to them. Dark knight might have a easy learning curve but it still has a high skill ceiling when it comes to optimizing. SE won't make any drastic changes that will ruin this setup they're going for. Small learning curves, everyone can do them combos and simple ocd buttons.

Dark Knight as it now stands is easy to learn AND easy to master, the skill ceiling is not as high as you’re trying to make it sounds.

[shao32]

Btw DrK fulfills the chart from adove

1 Never forget the fans: Doesnt imply to do what they crave for.

2 Fun comes first: Fun can take many forms so you wont ever be wrong and if some people dont like it, other Will.

3 Never back down: Insert Urianger's quote of the trailer.

4 Dont forget your roots: must be incinerated and the ashes thrown to the deepest ravine you can find.

i personally consider if they respect those rules and really listend the playerbase none of the drama around the job willl ever happen, i wish DRK get the same treatment of PLD, always evolving, never getting drama and tools/animations preserved/evolved, ppl satisfied with the evolution betwen expansions and not this constant involution/removal that DRK suffers each expansion that constantly make PPL mad and ask for stuff like scourge, shadow skin and the overall old gameplay that make DRK unique get back.