Viera head gear -_-

[Iscah]

Viera and Miqo's ears are placed where the hat would go, and Hrothgar hair and Au Ra horns are placed in the face slot. So since every Miqo has the same ears they just make hat+ears models when they equip a hat, but Viera have 4 different ear styles so it would be more work to do so.

On Miqo'te specifically, this came up in another discussion: some screenshots of what the character models look like without any hairstyle added. Interestingly, the exposed skin on the inner ear is part of the base model, but the furry outer ear is part of the hairstyle. Both of those elements can move together during certain emotes. This also means that every design needs to have ears of the same size and shape so they mesh together correctly.

(On a side note, some hats and hoods hide Miqo'te ears, and the ears modelled into the hat aren't always positioned where the ears should be, so they must be programmed to deactivate that inner-ear part of the model - which is probably just equivalent to ears on other characters, come to think of it, other than being oddly-placed. Definitely at least one cloak would need to turn off Elezen ears as well.)

Viera ears must be constructed differently from the start - since they have different shapes, and the whole design can be swapped out, probably the inner and outer ear are a single piece that gets added in separately. They don't seem to be able to move like Miqo'te ears do.

[Yencat]

Not to minimize your complaints, but didn't they say this would happen? Where they wouldn't get head gear and would have problems? I can't recall where that information is, but I'm quite sure I've read that before.

If in the event that was actually said, why are folks shocked that what they said would be an issue is an issue?

If it wasn't said, disregard this and I apologize for chiming in.

I don't think anyone is still shocked by this, but I guess there was some expectation that newly released (event) items would be designed with Viera and Hrothgar in mind? Now you could argue these items aren't new as such and were completed long before Viera and Hrothgar were finished and you'd probably be right, but we don't know.

[Yencat]

On Miqo'te specifically, this came up in another discussion: some screenshots of what the character models look like without any hairstyle added. Interestingly, the exposed skin on the inner ear is part of the base model, but the furry outer ear is part of the hairstyle. Both of those elements can move together during certain emotes. This also means that every design needs to have ears of the same size and shape so they mesh together correctly.

Viera ears must be constructed differently from the start - since they have different shapes, and the whole design can be swapped out, probably the inner and outer ear are a single piece that gets added in separately. They don't seem to be able to move like Miqo'te ears do.

Possibly yeah, Viera ears can have 4 different shapes and has a length slider so it's probably something to do with that. But they absolutely do move, they don't flop about manically during emotes or movement but they do bounce and move when running/flying/mining etc.

[Iscah]

I don't think anyone is still shocked by this, but I guess there was some expectation that newly released (event) items would be designed with Viera and Hrothgar in mind? Now you could argue these items aren't new as such and were completed long before Viera and Hrothgar were finished and you'd probably be right, but we don't know.

I wouldn't expect all new gear to be compatible with Viera/Hrothgar. They've said from the start it's a design choice for hats to not work on them. Making everything compatible in future would mean no more hats for any character anywhere in the game, and I doubt they would do that.

They could probably do with some substitute items (eg. give Viera the feather decoration that goes on the hat as a separate hairpin) but then you'd be stuck coming up with an alternative for Hrothgar too when there's no simple option there, and then people say they're not getting fair treatment...

Possibly yeah, Viera ears can have 4 different shapes and has a length slider so it's probably something to do with that. But they absolutely do move, they don't flop about manically during emotes or movement but they do bounce and move when running/flying/mining etc.

Ah, I hadn't realised they move that much - I don't have a Viera character, and I've only seen people say that their ears don't move like Miqo'te do.

[Yencat]

I wouldn't expect all new gear to be compatible with Viera/Hrothgar. They've said from the start it's a design choice for hats to not work on them. Making everything compatible in future would mean no more hats for any character anywhere in the game, and I doubt they would do that.

They could probably do with some substitute items (eg. give Viera the feather decoration that goes on the hat as a separate hairpin) but then you'd be stuck coming up with an alternative for Hrothgar too when there's no simple option there, and then people say they're not getting fair treatment...





Ah, I hadn't realised they move that much - I don't have a Viera character, and I've only seen people say that their ears don't move like Miqo'te do.

Oh, I don't begrudge anyone else their hats! Especially event hats tend to be fun and expressive so I see why they keep making them. It's just a bit of a bummer I also thought about substitutes but not everyone's gonna want those either, or everyone would want the substitute instead and it's all just more work. Really a case of can't please everybody.

[Sheriyana]

People shouldn't be complaining about the lack of hats for viera and hrothgar. They should be complaining about the severe lack of head styling options compared to all the other races.

Viera and hrothgar cannot wear most hats AND they have access to an extremely small amount of hairstyles. To top it off hrothgar need to use a fantasia to change their hair. When you look at it this way you realise just how awful this situation really is. It's a bloody disgrace.

This so much. It's been 7 months since Shadowbringers came out and still not even a word on new or old hair styles for viera or hrothgar. It upsets me how SE are treating these races, at least give us some updates, damn something! Right now it just feels like they prefer to pretend viera and hrothgar don't exist...

To top it all off if everyone remembers, the only reason we have any working head pieces for the new races is because some of the devs worked on making them usable on their own time behind Yoshida's back. SE would have been fine releasing these new races with no usable head gear, just think about how pathetic that is. Right now both the races are barely half finished and when you factor in they're gender locked, in my eyes that's less than quarter finished in comparison to the other races.

[Avidria]

Found myself missing my Viera yesterday and then thought about all the styles I'd be missing out on if I switched back.

Really hope this terrible "design decision" gets changed soon.

[Lastelli]

Did they explain why they couldn't just drill 2 holes in hats/helmets/hoods for the viera?

Was that just a design choice? If that's the case, pretty dumb choice.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Found myself missing my Viera yesterday and then thought about all the styles I'd be missing out on if I switched back.

Really hope this terrible "design decision" gets changed soon.

I think about this every time I log in.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

People shouldn't be complaining about the lack of hats for viera and hrothgar. They should be complaining about the severe lack of head styling options compared to all the other races.

Viera and hrothgar cannot wear most hats AND they have access to an extremely small amount of hairstyles. To top it off hrothgar need to use a fantasia to change their hair. When you look at it this way you realise just how awful this situation really is. It's a bloody disgrace.

This I can get behind. I don't expect characters with enormous ears to casually put on a top hat, but the hair should have been made available for them. It especially sucks if you bought the hair [in-game or mogstation] or grinded content to get it. Hopefully they address this in 5.2