Why do people say no?

[AlphaDragoon]

The specific reason I don't want everything to be like XI is because I was turned off as a customer from XI due to the way the game was setup. Can't do anything without a party, can't get a party unless you're this carbon copy with these skills (a problem rearing its head in this game with Sentinel, but not nearly as bad yet), so you sit in town for hours looking for a party and possibly never get one if you dared to be unique or play a class that wasn't the min/maxers choice.

That kind of press made me walk. I had thought about playing and watched others play but after hearing that kind of stuff from friends who were hardcore into XI and treated that stuff like it was a good thing, I didn't even sign up. To this day I've never played XI and I never will. The whole reason I gave XIV a shot was because the old team working on this specifically said, "it's NOT like FFXI".

[Bowen]

Why does a game have to be something else? Why can't we, when given the opportunity of a second chance, encourage FFXIV to be it's own MMO?

FFXIV IS it's own game. It's own world. Now, that doesn't mean that things can't be taken from FFXI that were good. we just don't need this game to have pointless things that FFXI had that make no connection to Eorzea.

Example: Adding mechanics like the 'seek party flag' would be a good thing. Adding an AH when we already have the MH would be pointless unless it was like am AH that actually had live actutions.

FFXIV is FFXIV NOT FFXI-2.

[TheVedis]

Example:

we need XXX feature from 11 because its in 11 and i like it


this is the kind of thing we need people to stop coming up with as "great ideas"



"we need a dynamis like feature from 11 because it promoted some nice large scale content that stayed relevent for a long time as endgame and was challenging for a long time for people"

this is the kind of idea thats good to pitch


the problem is, the first is all we see around here, people want something because they saw it in another mmo, not because theres a good reason for it, its because it was there

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

FFXIV IS it's own game. It's own world. Now, that doesn't mean that things can't be taken from FFXI that were good. we just don't need this game to have pointless things that FFXI had that make no connection to Eorzea.

Example: Adding mechanics like the 'seek party flag' would be a good thing. Adding an AH when we already have the MH would be pointless unless it was like am AH that actually had live actutions.

FFXIV is FFXIV NOT FFXI-2.

Right, but that doesn't have anything to do with XI other than generic systems that had a highly positive response and usability. If you want to talk about systems that happen to be in XI then talk about the systems. I think it's the way it's presented that's wrong. Not the actual general systems that seemed to have worked.

[Maxthunder]

I have said it before that SE and the dev team should have used things from FFXI in FFXIV and improved on them. I see alot wrong with FFXIV and I also see some good things. Dol and DoH now have the experience points and there is no guessing at when you will level up, this is good. The combat system, targeting system needs a major over haul. I myself wish SE would have used the FFXI combat system, targeting system and improved on it. There main job/sub job was good in FFXI due to the fact you have more options for things where as in FFXIV players are gonna be limited in that area. Weapon skill point or as it is called in FFXI skill ups on weapons would be a nice touch. Reason being we skill up the weapons we learn new skills, it also give players something else to do as in capping weapon/s. I find the repops on FFXIV way to fast and wish they repoped slower as if you are solo its just an up hill battle as mobs can repop before you can kill the next 1 (depending on where and what you are trying to do).

SE and the devs wanted to make a new game from scratch, all new battle systems and such but failed miserably. SE wants to cater to casual players as well as hardcore, but cant seem to get the formula correct. SE should have focused on what always has done well for them, and not gone the route that they did. They should have used things from their previous Final Fantasy titles but instead they decided to use things from other games that other companies use/d. FFXIV should and hopefully will be a game that stands out above the rest. SE needs to make sure that this game isnt like all the other MMO's on the market (dosent mean they cant use and improve things from FFXI). I could also go on and on at what should have been used from FFXI and improved for FFXIV but this post would be way too long.

[Gramul]

Let's be honest... FFXI was a decent looking girlfriend... at best

Looks better than most gals her age.

[Rydin]

Looks better than most gals her age.

I think you already know that if you said that to an actual woman... It wouldn't come off like a compliment and it wouldn't go over very well

[darkstarpoet1]

because some of us actually hated xi and don't want to see the game go in the same direction. i bought xiv because it had more of an involved feel to it in the original release than i ever had in xi.

i'm not saying alot of the good things from xi could not and should have not been taken from that game, but when i say no most times it comes down to the people wanting xi-2. individual aspects i can like or dislike on a one to one basis, but an entire copy of the game would have me leaving this one as quickly as i left xi. in other words bring up something you would like to see from xi and i would weigh whether it is better than what we have now and if it is there's no problem with it, but an entire copy paste from it with just updated gfx i want nothing to do with.

[Griss]

I think the folks saying no to the whole FFXI-2 deal may be:
*They left Vana'diel, possibly on bad terms, remembering the bad things more than the good.
RL-equivalent: For an ex-, on a bitter break-up, it's easier to focus on all the bad things about the relationship. The good memories/aspects get overshadowed.

*Looking for a different experience than the one they had or other than what FFXI evolved into.
RL-equivalent: For an ex-, if the break-up was mutual... they want to explore what else is out there. And they're hoping the new relationship doesn't become a younger, prettier version of their previous relationship. Others may not mind this so much.

I'm just putting words in people's mouths, I don't know what they think even though they've posted it all over the place. Hehe.

There is a old proverb. I think it might be Italian in origin it sums up what your talking about here. "A run away monk never speaks well of his abbey"

Systemically there is some good to be harvested from xi. As there is a lot of good stuff that can be gleaned from other popular games.

The flack that is raised from the mention of xi-2 generates from, at least from my perspective the bad taste that xi left in a lot of peoples mouths. Not to mention that a -2 title is a revisit of that world. I thoroughly enjoyed My time in Vanadeil. How ever that time is over as it is for many ex xiers.

[Rydin]

because some of us actually hated xi and don't want to see the game go in the same direction. i bought xiv because it had more of an involved feel to it in the original release than i ever had in xi.

i'm not saying alot of the good things from xi could not and should have not been taken from that game, but when i say no most times it comes down to the people wanting xi-2. individual aspects i can like or dislike on a one to one basis, but an entire copy of the game would have me leaving this one as quickly as i left xi. in other words bring up something you would like to see from xi and i would weigh whether it is better than what we have now and if it is there's no problem with it, but an entire copy paste from it with just updated gfx i want nothing to do with.

I am sorry sir... you are incorrect....

haha