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    Elladie's Avatar
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    Elai Khatahdyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deusteele View Post
    If you're looking for a hard no about the possible of her having tempered the WoL or associates, we don't have that.

    We do know that the WoL from the first shard and WoL from the thirteen shard are able to act against what would be considered Hydaelyn's goals and motives while cooperating with Ascians. While as this is quite circumstantial, it is a decent amount of evidence that discredits the "Hydealyn Tempering" theory.
    In much the same way as Urianger co-operates with the Ascians during the WoDs arc? After all Unulkhai actually allies himself with us, doesn't he? I mean, when does he ally himself with the Ascians? Elidibus 'rescues' him but we never actually find out the motive for that, and Unulkhai more or less becomes a Scion after the Warring Triad. Or are you maybe thinking he's a double (triple?) agent?

    The WoLs from the First were dead, it was their souls that plotted with the Ascians. Does tempering persist after death? When all the people tempered by Ifrit are reborn, are they still his willing slaves?

    I mean, there is as much evidence to logically infer that Emet-Selch lied all along and neither Zodiark nor Hydaelyn are primals. Actually there's more evidence to infer that than to infer that Hydaelyn is a primal who doesn't temper her followers
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    Rannie Lfey
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elladie View Post
    I mean, when does he ally himself with the Ascians? Elidibus 'rescues' him but we never actually find out the motive for that, and Unulkhai more or less becomes a Scion after the Warring Triad. Or are you maybe thinking he's a double (triple?) agent?

    UNUKALHAI:

    And as I lay dying, beaten and broken in my failed last stand, 'twas a white-robed Ascian who found my tormented spirit and bore me away to the rift betwixt worlds. Elidibus has been my master ever since.

    And as I lay dying, beaten and broken in my failed last stand, 'twas my present master who found my tormented spirit and bore me away to the rift betwixt worlds. 'Twas he who first introduced me to Urianger.

    At my mentor's feet did I learn of the nature of reality: of the existence of mirrored worlds and the eternal struggle between Dark and Light.

    Sudden and overwhelming superiority for either side will shatter the balance, and the world in question will be returned to the void by a calamity beyond imagining.

    As the self-appointed custodian of this balance, my master warned me that the Source─the first of all worlds─slips perilously close to oblivion.

    Quest The Last Pillar to Fall... out of the veritable mouths of a babe.
    Copied from Garlond Tools. Yes that kid may be fighting with us but it is for the sake of balance he is allied with the Ascians and is subservient to Elidibus. If he decides to defy him it has not been done yet.
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    I have a secret to tell. From my electrical well. It's a simple message and I'm leaving out the whistles and bells. So the room must listen to me Filibuster vigilantly. My name is blue canary one note* spelled l-i-t-e. My story's infinite Like the Longines Symphonette it doesn't rest- TMBG Birdhouse in your Soul
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