Healer dps is unfairly boring

[YusiKha]

For me, healers should be more support focused. Healers should have more buffs, more debuffs, an AoE Esuna (and more cleanable debuffs), more shields, etc.

For us to do what - ignore?
Because the encounter designers sure as heck won’t change a ‘winning’ formula.
And for certain they won’t retroactively change every single dungeon, trial, and raid to suit your design goals.

And what’s this with everyone clamouring for more overvaluing shields? As current design goes, shields are only used in 2 scenarios - lethal damage, and 1HP mechanics. Neither of which are common enough for us to require more.
In fact - if each healer only had access to shields as frequently as tanks (that is - 1 group shield every 90s), no content would change difficulty-wise.

[Patt]

For us to do what - ignore?
Because the encounter designers sure as heck won’t change a ‘winning’ formula.
And for certain they won’t retroactively change every single dungeon, trial, and raid to suit your design goals.

And what’s this with everyone clamouring for more shields? As current design goes, shields are only used in 2 scenarios - lethal damage, and 1HP mechanics. Neither of which are common enough for us to require more.
In fact - if each healer only had access to shields as frequently as tanks (that is - 1 group shield every 90s), no content would change difficulty-wise.

100% this!

Shielding as it stands is only useful, like mentioned, if it prevents a death or reduces the subsequent number of GCD heals. As a healer, your goal should be to do the minimum amount of GCD heals necessary while a boss is targetable.

As it stands, healing is already so simple to manage, especially with the influx of oGCD heals from 3.0 onwards. There is just SO much time for DPSing as healer in pretty much any situation you can find yourself in. A healer's dps rotation & ease shouldn't be balanced around the worst of the worst (speaking of tanks who don't use CDs in large packs :P) and instead be balanced around an average to ideal situation.

Take the latest Ultimate as an example. While phase 1 and 2 do have a pretty decent healing requirement, phase 3 and 4 are pretty much void of any real healing (the exception being the p3 enrage). Phase 4 specifically (Perfect Alexander), I think I do maybe 2 or 3 GCD heals while the boss is targetable; that phase is roughly 5 minutes long. Granted, the boss is untargetable for maybe 1/3rd of that, that is still roughly 6~9 seconds of GCD healing out of like 200 seconds of up time, or in other words about 3% of your up time is spent healing. This is not unique to Ultimate, and leads to a very boring DPS rotation endured by healers. Broil/Glare/Malefic spamming is not super engaging, and it would be really cool to see a step back to older, more complex (relatively speaking) DPS rotations that healers used to have.

[miraidensetsu]

For us to do what - ignore?

What if the Trick Attack buff was on SCH instead of NIN? It would be ignored? And can you explain to me why almost every AST main is crying for the cards being basically a flavour of Balance? Lack of utilities isn't what keept WHM from being Meta on SB?

If you want to make the healer gameplay less boring and don't want to make DPS mandatory, make them play with buffs. I doubt that the community would ignore, for instance, if there was a way for WHM apply a magic resistance down debuff on the boss. BLM, SMN and RDM would LOVE it. Who don't like bigger numbers?

[deadman1204]

What if the Trick Attack buff was on SCH instead of NIN? It would be ignored? And can you explain to me why almost every AST main is crying for the cards being basically a flavour of Balance? Lack of utilities isn't what keept WHM from being Meta on SB?

If you want to make the healer gameplay less boring and don't want to make DPS mandatory, make them play with buffs. I doubt that the community would ignore, for instance, if there was a way for WHM apply a magic resistance down debuff on the boss. BLM, SMN and RDM would LOVE it. Who don't like bigger numbers?

This wouldn't fix the problem. Each healer would simply have a buff or debuff they cast on a group every couple minutes. It doesn't change the dps rotation of 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1
If you say "make it single target" - thats actually bad. Now healers have to individually target and buff/debuff everything. Thats just awful gameplay.

[YusiKha]

What if the Trick Attack buff was on SCH instead of NIN? It would be ignored? And can you explain to me why almost every AST main is crying for the cards being basically a flavour of Balance? Lack of utilities isn't what keept WHM from being Meta on SB?

If you want to make the healer gameplay less boring and don't want to make DPS mandatory, make them play with buffs. I doubt that the community would ignore, for instance, if there was a way for WHM apply a magic resistance down debuff on the boss. BLM, SMN and RDM would LOVE it. Who don't like bigger numbers?

My mistake, since you followed buffs and debuffs with an AoE Esuna (We had one of those - I only ever used it in Rathalos Ex), I assumed that the buffs and debuffs would be equally inutalisable, like ARR Miasma's HP recovery down.

Also what's with everyone trying to make WHM have damage support? I feel like every class rework or suggestion thread has that same suggestion.
Why can't WHM just stand on its own as the healer with Personal DPS? Especially since it's the first healer people have access to and it does a decent job of tries to push newbie healers to DPS (CNJ questline, Assize, Misery, Holy)

[CrimsonGunner]

My mistake, since you followed buffs and debuffs with an AoE Esuna (We had one of those - I only ever used it in Rathalos Ex), I assumed that the buffs and debuffs would be equally inutalisable, like ARR Miasma's HP recovery down.

Also what's with everyone trying to make WHM have damage support? I feel like every class rework or suggestion thread has that same suggestion.
Why can't WHM just stand on its own as the healer with Personal DPS? Especially since it's the first healer people have access to and it does a decent job of tries to push newbie healers to DPS (CNJ questline, Assize, Misery, Holy)

maybe you want him to be more like a black mage in the healer role and its fine that you want him to be but to others who offered him having buffs(myself included) is something that is missing on white mage.
it is weird to see white mage without shell/reflect or protect,they are his iconic spells and its just feel weird without them(at least to me).

[YusiKha]

maybe you want him to be more like a black mage in the healer role and its fine that you want him to be but to others who offered him having buffs(myself included) is something that is missing on white mage.
it is weird to see white mage without shell/reflect or protect,they are his iconic spells and its just feel weird without them(at least to me).

I have no qualms with defensive support (heavens know that all healers could use more of that), but offensive support doesn't need to be on all healers. Heck, I'd not weep to see Chain Strat go. Damage support can be AST's thing.