We need to blackball people who pull S Marks too early.

[JamieRose]

Seriously can we start a list of rude people who pull and kill S marks when they know people are on their way?

That's really the only way that we can stop this sort of thing.

[DrWho2010]

there is no early pulling. there is only getting there too late.

[Canadane]

there is no early pulling. there is only getting there too late.

This.
There'll always be someone who got a call to arms late, their network of hunters being a little sluggish or they simply had a long load time.
There'll always be someone arriving late, and from their point of view, seeing a hunt engaged seconds before they even show up is "early pulling."
Someone who shows up and pulls the mark without delay isn't early pulling, it's just pulling. If you're there, you are free to engage in combat as well. If you missed it, oh well be faster on the next one. It's not like there's a limited number of spawns.

[Jimmymagic]

there is no early pulling. there is only getting there too late.

this is spot on

[george357]

this has been going on sence they started the hunts and its not going to change no matter how mad you get in the past when someone pulled early we let him/her die and let the mob reset and wait for everyone to get their and then pull but i guss things change with time with so many cry babys in the hunts now.

[Sinivar]

When you're the one who spawned a Hunt and it gets killed before you can even find it in the zone yeah, it was pulled early.

For hunts like The Garlok that spawn without player interaction I'd agree with you - luck of the draw. But when players take the time to spawn a hunt and then don't even get credit for the kill something is wrong.
At the very least I'd implement something along the lines of an S-rank being immune to damage until either the person that spawned it attacks or 15 minutes pass. (for the ones where player actions cause the spawn)

[Aurida]

It'd be nice to eliminate them, but the official SE stance on hunt marks is that they're open world content and whatever you do with them is kosher unless it involves actively killing people using the hunt mark in question or resetting the thing to let more people arrive. Heck, we've even had someone with so little of a life that they have to self-destruct on Forgiven Gossip spawns to ruin SS rank attempts.

Until something about the system or SE's stance on it changes, the best we can do is to keep our chins up, control the flow of information so that the most possible people can make it there, and endorse hunt strategies that make it possible.

Folks shouldn't join in on early pulls either, is the thing! It takes five minutes for them to solo an ARR S rank and twenty-five for an HW S, so it should by all rights be a cooperative effort that involves people not swinging on the things until the established pull time or until it drops low.

[JamieRose]

It'd be nice to eliminate them, but the official SE stance on hunt marks is that they're open world content and whatever you do with them is kosher unless it involves actively killing people using the hunt mark in question or resetting the thing to let more people arrive. Heck, we've even had someone with so little of a life that they have to self-destruct on Forgiven Gossip spawns to ruin SS rank attempts.

Until something about the system or SE's stance on it changes, the best we can do is to keep our chins up, control the flow of information so that the most possible people can make it there, and endorse hunt strategies that make it possible.

Folks shouldn't join in on early pulls either, is the thing! It takes five minutes for them to solo an ARR S rank and twenty-five for an HW S, so it should by all rights be a cooperative effort that involves people not swinging on the things until the established pull time or until it drops low.

If Squeenix is going to sit on its hands, that's all the more reason the community needs to step up and blackball these idiots.

[Pepsi_Plunge]

As soon as there are enough people to kill a mark, it's not "too early" anymore. Waiting for others to share is friendly courtesy and not an obligation. I hate it too when they pull instantly, but if you can't get there in 2-3 minutes after the first call it's more or less your own fault. And this is okay, because you also have to respect people's time: Nobody wants to be sitting around a target for half an hour until everyone finally decided to show up.

[JamieRose]

Last time I was "late" to an S mark, I was there not even 60 seconds after the call out and it was already dead. You're an idiot if you really think I'm sauntering in 15 minutes after the call out.

When I get to a mob or spawn it, I always wait for as many people as possible. It's called common courtesy, which is something most jackholes who roll up on S marks don't have.