Taxes to put off auto-demo

[Jojoya]

Plots are limited and thats not going to change, so auto-demo needs to occur to clean out plots held by players that have quit/taken a long break.

Alot house owners find themselves in a position of having alot of gil and nothing else to spend it on (but more housing bits). What if there was a tax payment option before auto-demo happened. You could put gil into escro (so it only spends what you allow). Starting on the day auto demo would trigger (day 45 without entering house), it withdraws gil from the account. As long as there is enough gil to make the daily payment, demo is postponed (this also generates an additional email each day you pay demo tax). To prevent rich players from indefinitely locking up a property, the price would dramatically increase over time. Something like this:
Day 45: 100k gil
day 50: 1million gil
day 55: 5million gil
day 60: 20million gil
day 65: 100million gil

Your account would be billed each day, with the unlisted days increasing proportionally (so day 52 might be 2.5 million).

This would provide 2 benefits:
1. People would be have a bit of padding if they miss their auto-demo email. However they couldn't put off demolition indefinitely
2. It creates a serious gil sink for the economy, which would be a good thing.

No.

If you're not using it, you should lose it. Let someone else who would use it could have a chance at owning a house. Entering the house once every 45 days isn't unreasonable.

[Esmoire]

Personally I'd like if they double-downed on auto-demo instead. Let's have it so when the timer is exceeded, the Kobolds summon Titan and he Landslides the house off the face of Hydaelyn so someone who actually intends on using the plot can have a chance.

[Dzian]

What is it with people on the forums and trying to get rid of auto demolition in any way they can? There is already an easy solution to not losing your house. USE your house.

It's because people can't take breaks. Which yoshi P says time and time again it's cool to take breaks between patches. But if you own a house you can't take breaks because you'll lose the house.

And it's also people with working commitments. Goingnoverseasnon deployment for 3 months say good Bye to your house.... had an accident and in hospital for a couple of months say goodbye to your house....

Many players have no issue with them claiming back plots that go unused for excessive periods of time. But 45 days really isn't much. Especially when yoshi frequently says hey it's fine to drop your sub between patches and take breaks...

That's why people want it scrapped or at least changed. Theres been numerous suggestions In the past that would work such as leasing plots and stuff.

If a players going to take a break for a few months they can simple pay the next 3 months lease in advance and there house will be safe when they come back..

If it turns out they dont come back after all then the plot still gets relinquished when the lease expires for another player to have a chance to buy and build there own house on.

Or an Npc caretaker. Going away pay him to look after your house and make sure it's still there when you come back... play every day well you wouldn't need to pay a caretaker as youd be looking after it yourself..

Theres lots they could do that's better than the demo system we have in place. Especially when the demo system itself doesnt work half the year because they keep suspending it.

Also depending on leasing costs you could possibly free up plots from players who literally just have an empty house sitting there that never gets used they just hold it because why not... where if it was costing them something and they weren't ever going to use it. Chances are they'd let it go..

[Lolli282]

It's because people can't take breaks. Which yoshi P says time and time again it's cool to take breaks between patches. But if you own a house you can't take breaks because you'll lose the house.

And it's also people with working commitments. Goingnoverseasnon deployment for 3 months say good Bye to your house.... had an accident and in hospital for a couple of months say goodbye to your house....

Many players have no issue with them claiming back plots that go unused for excessive periods of time. But 45 days really isn't much. Especially when yoshi frequently says hey it's fine to drop your sub between patches and take breaks...

That's why people want it scrapped or at least changed. Theres been numerous suggestions In the past that would work such as leasing plots and stuff.

If a players going to take a break for a few months they can simple pay the next 3 months lease in advance and there house will be safe when they come back..

If it turns out they dont come back after all then the plot still gets relinquished when the lease expires for another player to have a chance to buy and build there own house on.

Or an Npc caretaker. Going away pay him to look after your house and make sure it's still there when you come back... play every day well you wouldn't need to pay a caretaker as youd be looking after it yourself..

Theres lots they could do that's better than the demo system we have in place. Especially when the demo system itself doesnt work half the year because they keep suspending it.

Also depending on leasing costs you could possibly free up plots from players who literally just have an empty house sitting there that never gets used they just hold it because why not... where if it was costing them something and they weren't ever going to use it. Chances are they'd let it go..

You can take an entire month off of a sub and the resub the following month and not lose your house. You can give someone trusted your log in info if you are in the hospital or on deployment and they can enter your house for you.

To want the timer scrapped is selfish and entitled. The entire reason this timer exists is because people were quitting the game without relinquishing their plots making it near impossible for anyone to even get a house.

No way would I “lease” something from someone. I would want to own it, with no chances of someone else taking it away from me on a whim. If you want an improvement to the system you need to think of something that serves all sides. Which is why I personally have no issues with the system as is.

[Dzian]

To want the timer scrapped is selfish and entitled. The entire reason this timer exists is because people were quitting the game without relinquishing their plots making it near impossible for anyone to even get a house.
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Nope.theres nothing self entitled about owning a house. The self entitlement comes from people who want what someone else has and expect people to lose there house just so they can have a chance at one themselves.

Expecting to be able to keep something you paid for is not self entitlement at all.

Expecting to have something without earning it or just because someone else does. IS.... as any dictionary definition will tell you.

Again I'm all for reclaiming plots of people who obviously dont play anymore. But theres a big difference between someone who doesnt play any .ore and someone who's just taken a couple of months off to take a break. Which to this day Yoshi himself still says is fine and perfectly acceptable. So taking a break for a couple of months should not lose your house. And dubbing when you have no intention to play that month should not be required.. which ties in with another Yoshi quote that housing would NOT require an active sub to maintain.

But wanting the timers scrapped is not self entitlement at all people generally aren't against reclaiming unused houses there just needs to be a better system in place that falls in line with the devs teams repeated opinions and comments about being able to take breaks between patches and stuff.

Self entitlement is like the new toxicity. A word that's thrown around far to much about anything people may not agree with when they dont understand the very definition of the word. But look up any definition and tell me how you can apply it to people who basically just want to keep what they own worked hard and paid for. There isn't one.

But you will find hundreds of definitions that can relate to people who want peoples houses to get demolished just so they have a chance of getting one themselves because if John has bought a house them Jack is entitled to one to... he pays the same sub yada yada. Entitlement talk

[Lolli282]

Nope.theres nothing self entitled about owning a house. The self entitlement comes from people who want what someone else has and expect people to lose there house just so they can have a chance at one themselves.

Expecting to be able to keep something you paid for is not self entitlement at all.

Expecting to have something without earning it or just because someone else does. IS.... as any dictionary definition will tell you.

Again I'm all for reclaiming plots of people who obviously dont play anymore. But theres a big difference between someone who doesnt play any .ore and someone who's just taken a couple of months off to take a break. Which to this day Yoshi himself still says is fine and perfectly acceptable. So taking a break for a couple of months should not lose your house. And dubbing when you have no intention to play that month should not be required.. which ties in with another Yoshi quote that housing would NOT require an active sub to maintain.

But wanting the timers scrapped is not self entitlement at all people generally aren't against reclaiming unused houses there just needs to be a better system in place that falls in line with the devs teams repeated opinions and comments about being able to take breaks between patches and stuff.

Self entitlement is like the new toxicity. A word that's thrown around far to much about anything people may not agree with when they dont understand the very definition of the word. But look up any definition and tell me how you can apply it to people who basically just want to keep what they own worked hard and paid for. There isn't one.

But you will find hundreds of definitions that can relate to people who want peoples houses to get demolished just so they have a chance of getting one themselves because if John has bought a house them Jack is entitled to one to... he pays the same sub yada yada. Entitlement talk

I agree, there IS nothing self entitled about owning a house.

If you actually read my post you would see that I did not call you self entitled. I said to want the timer scrapped is selfish AND entitled.

You have a house so now you could care less about the timer while those without are dependent on it to clean up unused plots for a shot. You want the rules now in place to disappear in order keep something without actively using it.

Its funny that you say those wanting a house are self entitled. No one said ANYTHING about the placard RNG of hell to get one after seeing an empty plot. Those who do that (without botting) certainly earned their home so I dunno what you are talking about.

[NanaWiloh]

The biggest issue with leases and taxes are players with huge amounts of gil. Someone with 800 million could keep their house for years if you only charge like 1 million per month. Pay 3 months in advance leave, come back at the end of the 3 months pay again then take off. They could repeat the cycle forever the other problem is that, it will punish those who have to leave but dont have the gil to cover the length that they will be gone. I racked my brain on how to solve the issue of housing so much there is just no real solution sadly. Well other then SE going with Instance housing..

[Vidu]

Terrible suggestion - not only would it encourage RMT, but it also has the potential to leave someone not only homeless after taking a (possibly forced) vacation from the game but also broke. Specially if the withdrawl of money just happens automatically, with no options to turn it off - great, now you have someone who had a small house and maybe enough gil to pay the first 3 or 4 payments, but is still gone for longer. They come back and not only is their house gone, but basically all their money aswell. I wouldnt blame someone for quitting the game after that...

Just step inside your house once every 45 days, shouldnt be to difficult - and if it is the only thing you should lose is the house, nothing else.
Mor gil-sinks would be nice, but there are far better ways to achieve that - expensive mounts and minions, for example.

[Kytrin]

Terrible suggestion - not only would it encourage RMT, but it also has the potential to leave someone not only homeless after taking a (possibly forced) vacation from the game but also broke. Specially if the withdrawl of money just happens automatically, with no options to turn it off - great, now you have someone who had a small house and maybe enough gil to pay the first 3 or 4 payments, but is still gone for longer. They come back and not only is their house gone, but basically all their money aswell. I wouldnt blame someone for quitting the game after that...

Just step inside your house once every 45 days, shouldnt be to difficult - and if it is the only thing you should lose is the house, nothing else.
Mor gil-sinks would be nice, but there are far better ways to achieve that - expensive mounts and minions, for example.

I am absolutely with you on all this. Though I wouldn't specifically object if they increased the length of the timer to 60 or 90 days instead of the 45. Two or three months isn't unreasonable either, that's still less than a patch. And for the folks who have RL emergencies crop up it would save a considerable amount of pain and anguish. Although granted, it would also allow those who aren't really using their houses more chance to hang onto them as well. Still, it may benefit more than it harms in this case.

[Yshtola]

I was wondering when the RMT boogeyman would show up in here. Really goes to show how disconnected some players are I guess.