Taxes to put off auto-demo

[Dzian]

To want the timer scrapped is selfish and entitled. The entire reason this timer exists is because people were quitting the game without relinquishing their plots making it near impossible for anyone to even get a house.
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Nope.theres nothing self entitled about owning a house. The self entitlement comes from people who want what someone else has and expect people to lose there house just so they can have a chance at one themselves.

Expecting to be able to keep something you paid for is not self entitlement at all.

Expecting to have something without earning it or just because someone else does. IS.... as any dictionary definition will tell you.

Again I'm all for reclaiming plots of people who obviously dont play anymore. But theres a big difference between someone who doesnt play any .ore and someone who's just taken a couple of months off to take a break. Which to this day Yoshi himself still says is fine and perfectly acceptable. So taking a break for a couple of months should not lose your house. And dubbing when you have no intention to play that month should not be required.. which ties in with another Yoshi quote that housing would NOT require an active sub to maintain.

But wanting the timers scrapped is not self entitlement at all people generally aren't against reclaiming unused houses there just needs to be a better system in place that falls in line with the devs teams repeated opinions and comments about being able to take breaks between patches and stuff.

Self entitlement is like the new toxicity. A word that's thrown around far to much about anything people may not agree with when they dont understand the very definition of the word. But look up any definition and tell me how you can apply it to people who basically just want to keep what they own worked hard and paid for. There isn't one.

But you will find hundreds of definitions that can relate to people who want peoples houses to get demolished just so they have a chance of getting one themselves because if John has bought a house them Jack is entitled to one to... he pays the same sub yada yada. Entitlement talk

[Lolli282]

Nope.theres nothing self entitled about owning a house. The self entitlement comes from people who want what someone else has and expect people to lose there house just so they can have a chance at one themselves.

Expecting to be able to keep something you paid for is not self entitlement at all.

Expecting to have something without earning it or just because someone else does. IS.... as any dictionary definition will tell you.

Again I'm all for reclaiming plots of people who obviously dont play anymore. But theres a big difference between someone who doesnt play any .ore and someone who's just taken a couple of months off to take a break. Which to this day Yoshi himself still says is fine and perfectly acceptable. So taking a break for a couple of months should not lose your house. And dubbing when you have no intention to play that month should not be required.. which ties in with another Yoshi quote that housing would NOT require an active sub to maintain.

But wanting the timers scrapped is not self entitlement at all people generally aren't against reclaiming unused houses there just needs to be a better system in place that falls in line with the devs teams repeated opinions and comments about being able to take breaks between patches and stuff.

Self entitlement is like the new toxicity. A word that's thrown around far to much about anything people may not agree with when they dont understand the very definition of the word. But look up any definition and tell me how you can apply it to people who basically just want to keep what they own worked hard and paid for. There isn't one.

But you will find hundreds of definitions that can relate to people who want peoples houses to get demolished just so they have a chance of getting one themselves because if John has bought a house them Jack is entitled to one to... he pays the same sub yada yada. Entitlement talk

I agree, there IS nothing self entitled about owning a house.

If you actually read my post you would see that I did not call you self entitled. I said to want the timer scrapped is selfish AND entitled.

You have a house so now you could care less about the timer while those without are dependent on it to clean up unused plots for a shot. You want the rules now in place to disappear in order keep something without actively using it.

Its funny that you say those wanting a house are self entitled. No one said ANYTHING about the placard RNG of hell to get one after seeing an empty plot. Those who do that (without botting) certainly earned their home so I dunno what you are talking about.

[Jojoya]

Expecting to be able to keep something you paid for is not self entitlement at all.

It is when the purchase comes with rules and restrictions to retain ownership attached, and you don't think those should apply to you.

If you don't like the rules and restrictions, don't make the purchase.

I am absolutely with you on all this. Though I wouldn't specifically object if they increased the length of the timer to 60 or 90 days instead of the 45. Two or three months isn't unreasonable either, that's still less than a patch. And for the folks who have RL emergencies crop up it would save a considerable amount of pain and anguish. Although granted, it would also allow those who aren't really using their houses more chance to hang onto them as well. Still, it may benefit more than it harms in this case.

There's always going to be those who want to argue that it's not long enough and that it should be longer.

To me, 45 days is plenty of time. How often are people away from their homes more than 2 weeks at a time let alone 6? It lets someone skip a month on their subscription if they need to but still come back to their house.

I'd still rather see SE implemented an enhanced instanced housing system where everyone can get the house they want when they're ready to buy and don't have to worry about a demo timer because their ownership doesn't prevent others from also owning. But as long as housing is a limited resource, we need the demo timer and 45 days is reasonable length of time to allow people to take a break for real life conflicts that prevent them from logging in. Far better than leaving a house in the hands of people who go "I deserve to have this thing even though I don't want to play the game most of the time".

[Kytrin]

To me, 45 days is plenty of time. How often are people away from their homes more than 2 weeks at a time let alone 6? It lets someone skip a month on their subscription if they need to but still come back to their house.

I can think of enough life events that can keep someone from logging into game for a month to justify something a bit longer than 45 days.

- You or your loved one (parent, SO, child) gets into a severe accident or some other equally severe hospital worthy event. Your priority is no longer game. It's getting to the hospital, dealing with doctors, visiting hours, severe drugs, putting on a brave face, and trying to get better. 45 days can go in an instant before you even remember to think of that

- You have a child. You're not thinking about game with that. You're thinking about diaper changes, feeding times, weird sniffles or fevers, sleep deprivation, doctor visits, post-partum depression, and a ton of other stuff. You'll be lucky if you manage to even remember game exists let alone your house in a month. (Granted, new parents seem to have a problem remembering that sort of things in the first SIX months, and there's no way the timer should be that long, but the point stands)

- You move, and there's some problem with your internet. Bad signal, incompetent setup, lengthy delays for one reason or another. All of that can add up quick. I admit this is the weakest one in general, since theoretically you would still have SOME kind of access SOMEWHERE these days, but if may not be powerful enough to let you log into game. Or you may not have a laptop. Good luck setting up a desktop at your local Starbucks because Comcast is stupid in your area.

- There's a natural disaster that destroys all your things. SE is pretty good, if slow, about turning off the demolition timer (even if they leave it on forever afterwards) for large scale disasters, but it generally takes them more than a month to even make that decision. Which leaves you SOL if you were one of the first affected. And that doesn't cover things like your house catching on fire, flood, blizzard, whatever disaster might strike a person individually. It can take literally MONTHS for insurance to go through in the worst cases, and there's not a thing you can do.

There are others I'm sure, but those are the ones off the top of my head.

Now I know there's always the whole 'have a friend log in for you' angle, but that doesn't work for everyone either. Some people may not have anyone irl who can do that for them. Or anyone online they trust enough to log in for them like that. And THAT is why I would back them lengthening the timer a little. It would cut anyone who fell into the above categories a little more slack without it being absurd, and I don't see how that's a bad thing.

[NanaWiloh]

I can think of enough life events that can keep someone from logging into game for a month to justify something a bit longer than 45 days.

- You or your loved one (parent, SO, child) gets into a severe accident or some other equally severe hospital worthy event. Your priority is no longer game. It's getting to the hospital, dealing with doctors, visiting hours, severe drugs, putting on a brave face, and trying to get better. 45 days can go in an instant before you even remember to think of that

- You have a child. You're not thinking about game with that. You're thinking about diaper changes, feeding times, weird sniffles or fevers, sleep deprivation, doctor visits, post-partum depression, and a ton of other stuff. You'll be lucky if you manage to even remember game exists let alone your house in a month. (Granted, new parents seem to have a problem remembering that sort of things in the first SIX months, and there's no way the timer should be that long, but the point stands)

- You move, and there's some problem with your internet. Bad signal, incompetent setup, lengthy delays for one reason or another. All of that can add up quick. I admit this is the weakest one in general, since theoretically you would still have SOME kind of access SOMEWHERE these days, but if may not be powerful enough to let you log into game. Or you may not have a laptop. Good luck setting up a desktop at your local Starbucks because Comcast is stupid in your area.

- There's a natural disaster that destroys all your things. SE is pretty good, if slow, about turning off the demolition timer (even if they leave it on forever afterwards) for large scale disasters, but it generally takes them more than a month to even make that decision. Which leaves you SOL if you were one of the first affected. And that doesn't cover things like your house catching on fire, flood, blizzard, whatever disaster might strike a person individually. It can take literally MONTHS for insurance to go through in the worst cases, and there's not a thing you can do.

There are others I'm sure, but those are the ones off the top of my head.

Now I know there's always the whole 'have a friend log in for you' angle, but that doesn't work for everyone either. Some people may not have anyone irl who can do that for them. Or anyone online they trust enough to log in for them like that. And THAT is why I would back them lengthening the timer a little. It would cut anyone who fell into the above categories a little more slack without it being absurd, and I don't see how that's a bad thing.

Increasing the timer will not help or change things. Enough time for one person is not enough time for someone else. We will end up right back at this point with someone saying the timer is not long enough.

[Jojoya]

I can think of enough life events that can keep someone from logging into game for a month to justify something a bit longer than 45 days.

It's not a question of how many you can think of. I can think of plenty myself.

It's a question of how often do those things actually happen for those who have chosen to play the game and buy a house.

When a real life crisis happens, the game and what's in it becomes irrelevant. You're taking care of real life first. A house in a game isn't even worth thinking about. So what if you end up losing it? You can always get another when you come back and are able to devote more of your time to the game again.

I've already had that happen to me once. After returning, I had to wait 6 months before I was able to get a house again. It looks like it might happen to me again soon. If I have to be gone longer than 45 days, then I lose the house. It's nothing compared to dealing with what's going on in my life. I can always get another once I am able to return to the game, even if it means waiting another 6 months to a year for one to become available.

People need to get some perspective instead of thinking that losing a house in a video game is some major tragedy that will devastate their lives. That's an entitled, spoiled brat point of view that shouldn't be encouraged.

[Kytrin]

People need to get some perspective instead of thinking that losing a house in a video game is some major tragedy that will devastate their lives. That's an entitled, spoiled brat point of view that shouldn't be encouraged.

Well excuse me for attempting to see both sides of an issue, and empathizing with people who have put as much into their house as I have mine. Or for trying to propose that 60 or 90 days isn't really much more unreasonable than 45.