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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    Its apparently not possible to place it in the house because it could/would cause issues as soon as two people used the dresser at the same time - so probably not gonna happen, even though they know we'd like it.
    What about people who use the summoning bell and the other bell, people use that at the same time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OniKimoto View Post
    What about people who use the summoning bell and the other bell, people use that at the same time?
    Gotta ask them about that, I'm not a programmer - my laymans guess would be that firstly the summoning bell was designed from the very beginning to be accessed by multiple people at the same time and secondly that you dont use the bell directly to access your inventory, but rather that you use the bell and then determine which inventory, thats bound to you, you want to access. While for the dresser it could just be that you'd run into trouble with dresser-inventories getting mixed up when two people interact with the same dresser, while they cant interact with the same retainer.

    In regards to the other bell you mentioned: you dont access an inventory with that one at all, just your personal characters appearence, so I dont think those two compare very well.

    They might also just want to be extra careful with the dresser, seeing how people might store rare or mogstation stuff within it, so they dont want to take risks with things getting deleted etc. They seem to have pretty stable code for the summoning bell (probably because it works differently) so thats not an issue there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vidu View Post
    Gotta ask them about that, I'm not a programmer - my laymans guess would be that firstly the summoning bell was designed from the very beginning to be accessed by multiple people at the same time and secondly that you dont use the bell directly to access your inventory, but rather that you use the bell and then determine which inventory, thats bound to you, you want to access. While for the dresser it could just be that you'd run into trouble with dresser-inventories getting mixed up when two people interact with the same dresser, while they cant interact with the same retainer.

    In regards to the other bell you mentioned: you dont access an inventory with that one at all, just your personal characters appearence, so I dont think those two compare very well.

    They might also just want to be extra careful with the dresser, seeing how people might store rare or mogstation stuff within it, so they dont want to take risks with things getting deleted etc. They seem to have pretty stable code for the summoning bell (probably because it works differently) so thats not an issue there.
    It probably helps that the retainers all have unique names, which likely makes it vastly easier for the system to differentiate between my inventory and yours, but the glamour dressers don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OniKimoto View Post
    What about people who use the summoning bell and the other bell, people use that at the same time?
    The Summoning Bell isn't your storage. It's your portal to the retainer who has storage and only you are allowed to interact with that retainer.

    The Crystal Bell is the portal to a portion of the game servers where character customization occurs. Your character goes into a sort of suspended animation while you're using that portion of the game servers (why chat isn't possible) so you're not really in your housing or inn room anymore. When you finalize or cancel, your character is removed from the game world then returned with the changes (if any) applied.

    Could SE have tried to adopt one of those systems for the glamour dresser? Probably not without severe loss of functionality, rendering the Glamour Dresser pointless as anything except another 400 slots of item storage. We can't even dye items while interacting with a retainer right now. Would you really want a glamour dresser that wasn't able to save dye preferences?

    We know SE did intend to offer a glamour dresser as a housing item at first but had to change their minds when they realized the technical hurdles it posed. Do you really want them wasting time on trying to find solutions (and likely continuing to fail) when that means the developers can't be working on other game improvements that they are capable of making?

    It's not a big deal to take 2 minutes to head to an inn or squadron barracks when I want to use a glamour dresser. I'd rather that they focus on improving the game in other ways over wasting a lot of time on a single housing item they may never get to work when the function of that item is already available in game. If they can find the time to work on creating one without pushing other needed improvements onto the backburner, then great but I'm not going to demand it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    The Summoning Bell isn't your storage. It's your portal to the retainer who has storage and only you are allowed to interact with that retainer.

    The Crystal Bell is the portal to a portion of the game servers where character customization occurs. Your character goes into a sort of suspended animation while you're using that portion of the game servers (why chat isn't possible) so you're not really in your housing or inn room anymore. When you finalize or cancel, your character is removed from the game world then returned with the changes (if any) applied.

    Could SE have tried to adopt one of those systems for the glamour dresser? Probably not without severe loss of functionality, rendering the Glamour Dresser pointless as anything except another 400 slots of item storage. We can't even dye items while interacting with a retainer right now. Would you really want a glamour dresser that wasn't able to save dye preferences?

    We know SE did intend to offer a glamour dresser as a housing item at first but had to change their minds when they realized the technical hurdles it posed. Do you really want them wasting time on trying to find solutions (and likely continuing to fail) when that means the developers can't be working on other game improvements that they are capable of making?

    It's not a big deal to take 2 minutes to head to an inn or squadron barracks when I want to use a glamour dresser. I'd rather that they focus on improving the game in other ways over wasting a lot of time on a single housing item they may never get to work when the function of that item is already available in game. If they can find the time to work on creating one without pushing other needed improvements onto the backburner, then great but I'm not going to demand it.
    I don't think it's more so demanding as them revisiting their initial idea, but okay lol. Nobody said it's a big deal. I just would like not to have to do it. That's all. Thanks for your input
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    Quote Originally Posted by OniKimoto View Post
    I don't think it's more so demanding as them revisiting their initial idea, but okay lol.
    My apologies, didn't intend to imply that you were demanding it though I see how it might have come across that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    My apologies, didn't intend to imply that you were demanding it though I see how it might have come across that way.
    No apologies necessary. It's hard to assign tone to text so I try not to unless blatantly obvious!
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