Dancer seems totally Broken in Feast

[Crit]

Such a shame that a beta wolf has tremendously incorrect opinions about everything haha


Sam has best defensive, riddle of earth is whatever, blm is best ranged, dnc plays the game of attrition and just never dies while taking games to culling because lack of burst, monk isn't that op, the players just havent adjusted yet, once they do monk will be lower end just like before, dont forget about what sam and drg has lmfao

And I personally hate getting dncs on my team, none of them are good so they're quite useless, they just exist and dont die because enemy team doesn't play correctly to properly kill one, it's a gigantic mess but all dncs just exist and look pretty, much rather have a smn or blm

[Shinklet]

By all means, don't nerf dancer.

[Fannah]

Monk seems broken also the burst is higher then any other melee right now and they have the best defense tool with Riddle of Earth.

Riddle of Earth Deacresed dmg taken by 10% creates a barrier that absorbs 3000 potency Compare to Shucuchi jumps away creates a shield that absorbs 1000 potency thats 2000 potency less then monks defensive tool.

Monk is also the only Melee to have 0 direct tools to run away, to hit with a ranged skill, and to build ressources from afar. Ninja has "Shukuchi" to TP away twice, DRG has his "Elusive Jump", SAM has his "Hissatsu : Soten". Monk can "dash" away only if he is in the opponent camp and is targeting an opponent in his ally side. And they don't have any ranged tool so they have to be 100% melee to deal dmg, while SAM has "Enpi" (also increasing Kenki Gauge by 10), NIN has Throwing Dagger (increasing his Ninki Gauge by 10) (15y range) + his two 25y range skills with "Three Mudra" + "Hellfrog Medium" (15y range) and his invisibility to come close without being targeted 1rst. DRG has Piercing Talon (keeping his Blood of the Dragon buff from afar) + High Jump (20y range) + 2 "Mirage Dive" (20y range) + Stardiver (20y range) + "Geirskogul" and "Nastrond" (15y range each) and even their whole AoE combo having 10y range to be pretty safe for a melee, while all other melees have an AoE around them of 5y only. So Monk has to be melee to build anything from the start (Chakras and Greased Lightning stacks), which does explain why they have a bit more resistance overall.

Compare a kit, not just 2 skills. Monks are way less safe overall. About the burst, Monk AoE skills are almost irrelevant compared to what a Ninja, DRG and SAM can do. They are less tricky, more predictable.
About the 1sec silence the Ninja has, you're not especially supposed to just use it alone. NIN is already the only one having a control among all melees, which means it can combo with the AoE CC (or not AoE) of other allies, like an AoE Stun or Sleep (Summoner or BLM) which can make the whole a way too long control to handle if used properly in team.

[Foudre_Fondue]

BRD and MCH is ???? I am not sure what is happening here but it feels like DNC has the same capacity for pressure while having more DPS utility, more sustain, more mobility.

That's because Dancer is basically just straight up superior to the other two jobs. After playing Bard throughout 3.x and 4.x, it's depressing to see how awful Bard is at the moment compared to previous seasons. I don't know what went through the dev's head when they tried to balance the physical ranged dps in 5.x, but they sure were on something while doing so lol

[BloodRubyXII]

That's because Dancer is basically just straight up superior to the other two jobs. After playing Bard throughout 3.x and 4.x, it's depressing to see how awful Bard is at the moment compared to previous seasons. I don't know what went through the dev's head when they tried to balance the physical ranged dps in 5.x, but they sure were on something while doing so lol

I miss playing Bard =[

It's still playable in Frontlines, but yea, I've tried it in Feast, no chance. You can still get kills like it's not completely awful for supporting burst, but your pressure isnt the best outside of it. It's still fixable, natures is a really good utility ability, I really like the idea of sidewinder being an execute and shadowbite being an opener on burst, cos they do actually hit hard, it just needs to do more. Or Dancer needs to contribute way less. And Repelling Shot needs to be usable all the time, not just when someone's standing on you.

Even then it's not gonna compete with FD3, Step Buffs and Saber Dance.

[Shinklet]

instead of nerfing dancer

Why don't we buff everything else?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

instead of nerfing dancer

Why don't we buff everything else?

If you haven't heard, that's how powercreep works, so why work on working around DNC instead of working on it?

[Shinklet]

If you haven't heard, that's how powercreep works, so why work on working around DNC instead of working on it?

Wow dude you're right, by nerfing dancer it will suddenly make red mage, machinist and bard viable. Thank god summoner and black mage don't outperform them so much.

Just with one simple change to dancer, people can now kill stuff with bard, you're a genius.

[BloodRubyXII]

If we had 5.0 RDM it'd compete on the basis it had a silence, heavy, bind and probably some other things I'm missing. The problem is the job is fundamentally mechanically underwhelming in the meta, just like the other ranges. Even BLM would be playable with some heavy, convert and 3 stacks of manip given back to them. Bard isn't even that bad, mechanically, but apex arrow is a ballache and isn't even that strong and whilst nature's is nice, repel no longer binds, barrage isn't in the game anymore, and you don't get neat things like perm damage up and defence like dancer, on a kill target it's actually not that bad with everything up, I played it a bit earlier in the season and a lot of stuff died, but we lost, game ended and I saw 164k damage and was like oh yeah, that's why. I liked the concept of opening on a target with bite on a cd and executing with sidewinder, but the pressure just isn't that great and they have long CDs so you're tickling with apex arrow and pitch perfect every other burst and you don't even have the dots behind it anymore

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Wow dude you're right, by nerfing dancer it will suddenly make red mage, machinist and bard viable. Thank god summoner and black mage don't outperform them so much.

Just with one simple change to dancer, people can now kill stuff with bard, you're a genius.

You first said "instead of nerfing dancer", which gave me the implication that dancer shouldn't be nerfed and other ranged be buffed instead to be put on DNC's level, which was why I was critcizing your post. Frankly on page 1 I already posted the following:

Why not both at a healthy middle to prevent powercreep?

I am not oblivious to the other ranged having weaker bursts or in the case of RDM rather sad CC compared to his caster bretheren. Would appreciate if you wouldn't go full rage sarcasm just because I didn't post the same statement twice to fit your bill.