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    Middy would probably know more than the MSQ could handle, but I also think he doesn't know the full story. In some areas, we probably know more about pre sundering events than he would at this point.

    Do dragons even know about the shards? I don't think we've seen any remotely intelligent dragonbrood or reference to them related to different shards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lersayil View Post
    Middy would probably know more than the MSQ could handle, but I also think he doesn't know the full story. In some areas, we probably know more about pre sundering events than he would at this point.

    Do dragons even know about the shards? I don't think we've seen any remotely intelligent dragonbrood or reference to them related to different shards?
    So far, evidence points to dragons (true dragons, descended from Midgardsormr) only existing on the Source. Whether dragons on the Source KNOW about the other Shards is unclear, but they're so long-lived I'd be surprised if they hadn't learned of it at some point. There's evidence of beings traveling to and from the Shards from the Source - Ascians mostly, but Bismarck may have also made the trip in order to inspire the legends of the Vanu Vanu - so it would be surprising if a dragon never ran into one.

    That said, dragons DO mostly keep to themselves, and have shown themselves to be as gullible to the machinations of the Ascians as any of the shorter-lived races. It's entirely possible that they, too, are in the dark regarding the shattered nature of the world. We do know that Midgardsormr had SOME kind of dialogue with Hydaelyn (during which they struck a deal to allow Middy to make his home on Hydaelyn), but whether she shared this tidbit with him is unknown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    So far, evidence points to dragons (true dragons, descended from Midgardsormr) only existing on the Source. Whether dragons on the Source KNOW about the other Shards is unclear, but they're so long-lived I'd be surprised if they hadn't learned of it at some point. There's evidence of beings traveling to and from the Shards from the Source - Ascians mostly, but Bismarck may have also made the trip in order to inspire the legends of the Vanu Vanu - so it would be surprising if a dragon never ran into one.

    That said, dragons DO mostly keep to themselves, and have shown themselves to be as gullible to the machinations of the Ascians as any of the shorter-lived races. It's entirely possible that they, too, are in the dark regarding the shattered nature of the world. We do know that Midgardsormr had SOME kind of dialogue with Hydaelyn (during which they struck a deal to allow Middy to make his home on Hydaelyn), but whether she shared this tidbit with him is unknown.
    I think it was implied by the Ascians (Emet I think?) that true travel between the shards is very rare if existant at all other than them (corporeal travel being completely unheard of), and the method Ascians use has its... faults, thus its unlikely to be used by anyone else. Though its possible they just don't know about others of course.

    I must admit I'm foggy about the Vanu Vanu lore... are they also Allagan creations? If not, its possible that Bismarck existed in some form pre-sundering, and like some other tidbits, got passed down as myth post sundering. If they are however, yeah, I guess they would need some outside inspirations regarding Bismarck.

    I guess they left the dragon thread open, just in case they need some in the MSQ later. Doubt we wont see the rest of Middys missing children somewhere down the line. A shame Middy went to sleep though, I liked him hanging around, even as an exposition tool...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LineageRazor View Post
    So far, evidence points to dragons (true dragons, descended from Midgardsormr) only existing on the Source. Whether dragons on the Source KNOW about the other Shards is unclear, but they're so long-lived I'd be surprised if they hadn't learned of it at some point. There's evidence of beings traveling to and from the Shards from the Source - Ascians mostly, but Bismarck may have also made the trip in order to inspire the legends of the Vanu Vanu - so it would be surprising if a dragon never ran into one.

    That said, dragons DO mostly keep to themselves, and have shown themselves to be as gullible to the machinations of the Ascians as any of the shorter-lived races. It's entirely possible that they, too, are in the dark regarding the shattered nature of the world. We do know that Midgardsormr had SOME kind of dialogue with Hydaelyn (during which they struck a deal to allow Middy to make his home on Hydaelyn), but whether she shared this tidbit with him is unknown.
    Another possibility is that Middy and/or other dragons know full well about the sundering of the star, but are quite content with this being the case. This wouldn't require tempering or anything of the sort, but merely the presence of self-interest, concern for the massive loss of life that would be involved, or some mix of the two. Not being sundered themselves, the dragons enjoy preeminence over the mortal races (Nidhogg believed that the star's native inhabitants were so feeble that only the dragons could conceivably serve as the guardians over the star), but even the 14-times-diluted reflections of the Ancients were able to give the dragons a run for their money in the form of the Allagan empire. Middy et al may nurture a justified fear of being banished were from the star were a new, un-sundered race to arise (if the rejoining did not simply kill the dragons outright to begin with). From that vantage point, it probably makes sense for Middy to go along with Hydaelyn's plans and keep the WoL in the dark.
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