Can We please have Hilda/Yugiri & Yotsuyu's Hairstyles?

[Tatiana]

These hairstyles not being available to viera/hrothgar race shouldn't mean it's unavailable to everyone else- if you're a viera/hrothgar now, it tells me glamour locked hairstyles/armors that viera/ hrothgar cannot wear wasn't that big of a problem in the 1st place- but showing support would be the best method because eventually, Viera will receive something

I never said they shouldn't be available to everyone else even if they aren't for viera/hrothgar, as I don't think any race should be limited or ignored. They shouldn't ignore the two new races and should work to fix the problems with them that make it harder to develop hairstyles for them so that it isn't a problem in the future. They developed two very highly requested and anticipated races that people have wanted to play forever only for their customization to be severely lacking in comparison to old races, and even the new hairstyle that came WITH the expansion isn't available for the new races that were part of the draw for the expansion.

Me still playing a Viera doesn't mean anything other than I feel like playing a Viera at the moment, but I don't want to and shouldn't have to buy a fantasia to switch back to my old race because the new one I fantasia'd to was poorly designed on the back end which I had no way of knowing until after the fact when they said so. It certainly doesn't mean I am cool with them being ignored lol. :/

[reivaxe]

I never said they shouldn't be available to everyone else even if they aren't for viera/hrothgar, as I don't think any race should be limited or ignored. They shouldn't ignore the two new races and should work to fix the problems with them that make it harder to develop hairstyles for them so that it isn't a problem in the future.

This is not a "problem" that they "need to fix", this a design decision.
They have made it clear that they intend to make more Viera hair and more manes AND faces for Hrothgar. It's gonna take time and we don't know how many they will give or when they will. Given how rare new hair styles come it's not really a wonder that we still haven't seen them yet.

Also, we knew their limits before the game put them in. They released a benchmark ... people sat on their high hare horse thinking that Viera were gonna get all the shared hair in the real game even when the last new race didn't hide hair in the benchmark. We knew about the head gear for a long time to. Most all the talk about hair and manes and head gear happened before release. So you didn't have "no way of knowing" as a Viera.

[Yencat]

This is not a "problem" that they "need to fix", this a design decision.
They have made it clear that they intend to make more Viera hair and more manes AND faces for Hrothgar. It's gonna take time and we don't know how many they will give or when they will. Given how rare new hair styles come it's not really a wonder that we still haven't seen them yet.

Also, we knew their limits before the game put them in. They released a benchmark ... people sat on their high hare horse thinking that Viera were gonna get all the shared hair in the real game even when the last new race didn't hide hair in the benchmark. We knew about the head gear for a long time to. Most all the talk about hair and manes and head gear happened before release. So you didn't have "no way of knowing" as a Viera.

I don't think people were expecting every shared hairstyle in the game to be available, but Modern Aesthetics styles are never on the benchmark are they?

[reivaxe]

I don't think people were expecting every shared hairstyle in the game to be available, but Modern Aesthetics styles are never on the benchmark are they?

That's the thing, why would Modern Aesthetic styles be given to them if they make it clear that reg shared hairs aren't? What would make that more likely than some of these plan-jane common shared hairs that look like they could actually work with the ears?

I get it, I also refused to accept that the benchmark was what is was. I thought "Hair styles are even a friggin RL reward for art contest. Noway they wont let people who won the cloud hair use it on these races..". I fooled myself into thinking that the benchmark wasn't complete, that they were still working on hair for release, that maybe Hrothgar would get MORE patterns as it's in their hair tab and that perhaps they would have special patterns that are linked to unlocked hair styles to give them a reason to gain and use the hair styles.

But that was just foolish. There's a quote ... "when someone shows you who they are believe them the first time". There was zero reason to believe that the benchmark wasn't telling the full story. And before the expac even came out there was more than enough questions tossed their way to know that this was the path they were taking. I'v tried my best to stay ontop of the topic and they haven't lied once yet players keep tricking themselves into believing things.

I still see people dead set on believing that SE is still working on reworking old hats and helms for them when sence their release they have made it clear af what type of head gear does and doesn't work.

[Yencat]

That's the thing, why would Modern Aesthetic styles be given to them if they make it clear that reg shared hairs aren't? What would make that more likely than some of these plan-jane common shared hairs that look like they could actually work with the ears?

I get it, I also refused to accept that the benchmark was what is was. I thought "Hair styles are even a friggin RL reward for art contest. Noway they wont let people who won the cloud hair use it on these races..". I fooled myself into thinking that the benchmark wasn't complete, that they were still working on hair for release, that maybe Hrothgar would get MORE patterns as it's in their hair tab and that perhaps they would have special patterns that are linked to unlocked hair styles to give them a reason to gain and use the hair styles.

But that was just foolish. There's a quote ... "when someone shows you who they are believe them the first time". There was zero reason to believe that the benchmark wasn't telling the full story. And before the expac even came out there was more than enough questions tossed their way to know that this was the path they were taking. I'v tried my best to stay ontop of the topic and they haven't lied once yet players keep tricking themselves into believing things.

I still see people dead set on believing that SE is still working on reworking old hats and helms for them when sence their release they have made it clear af what type of head gear does and doesn't work.

I'm not arguing people weren't overly optimistic, they absolutely were, I'm just saying it wasn't immediately obvious Viera would be stuck with 8 hairstyles for 6 months. It even says when you Fantasia or create a new Viera or Hrothgar "some hairstyles may be unavailable", when it's in fact ALL hairstyles. Imagine if they made a mount some races couldn't use because they didn't have time/resources to make a riding animation?

If they're so strapped for resources I'd like to see them add the hairstyles requested in this thread ONLY to the races they originally appeared on. So Elezen get Ysayle's and Hilda's hair, Au Ra get Yugiri's hair, Midlanders get Yotsuyu's, Hilda's and Lyse's hair. Maybe even throw in Nanamo's hair for Lala's. Everyone else can be patient or buy a Fantasia if you really want access to these hairstyles. We couldn't possibly expect them to rig all these hairs for ALL races right? Except we could, and should ask for exactly that and not throw a few races under the bus because "well you got what you bargained for if you don't like it just Fantasia".

[SturmChurro]

Some people didn't actually think SE would really just not do anything more, and continue to do nothing more for viera going on six months now. Really disappointing.

[GhostXO]

Just want to add that I still really want these hairs. Also I'm just really sad there seems to be no love for Viera from the developers. Yes I thought Viera would get cross race hairstyles during the benchmark because A I didn't play during heavensward so how should I know what au ra got and B I thought squenix was better. i mean they canned a whole gender from Viera I thought they would at least get the hairs down. Will adjust expectations in future. My B

[SturmChurro]

Just want to add that I still really want these hairs. Also I'm just really sad there seems to be no love for Viera from the developers. Yes I thought Viera would get cross race hairstyles during the benchmark because A I didn't play during heavensward so how should I know what au ra got and B I thought squenix was better. i mean they canned a whole gender from Viera I thought they would at least get the hairs down. Will adjust expectations in future. My B

We all thought that, or at least I did. I was full of hope, and hype before Shadowbringers. I thought well, if they aren't going to get them at release surely we will get our styles we paid for and stuff soon after, right?

Viera is my favorite race to play, and I would also really like to see more love for them from the devs.. To add, I never actually want to change off of them, and I can work with no hats - that ship has sailed - but like the hairstyles they have to work with when I do a new outfit, or just use my already created glamours has me working with like 2 styles, MAYBE three if I am feeling adventurous. It really just sucks, having no real options.

[Tatiana]

This is not a "problem" that they "need to fix", this a design decision.
They have made it clear that they intend to make more Viera hair and more manes AND faces for Hrothgar. It's gonna take time and we don't know how many they will give or when they will. Given how rare new hair styles come it's not really a wonder that we still haven't seen them yet.

Also, we knew their limits before the game put them in. They released a benchmark ... people sat on their high hare horse thinking that Viera were gonna get all the shared hair in the real game even when the last new race didn't hide hair in the benchmark. We knew about the head gear for a long time to. Most all the talk about hair and manes and head gear happened before release. So you didn't have "no way of knowing" as a Viera.

I don't see how people expecting the new race they were gonna buy a fantasia for to have access to the same hairstyles all of the other previous races have shared puts anyone on a high horse as it is an understanding based in precedents. I didn't play when any previous expansion launched, this expansion is the first one I played right away, so I have no experience with previous benchmarks. I still maintain that it is a problem that they should fix, whether it was intentional by design or not it is still ultimately a poor design decision.

I am glad they are not planning to add any more races to the game if this is such a problem for them now, even though that sucks for people who really want male Viera and female Hrothgar who I think would be cool but if we're going by how the roll out of these new races has gone, those would probably only have 2 faces and 3 hairstyles and that is not a particularly positive level of expectation they should want their players to have based on what they've done before.

[HeyMcFly]

I'd love Garnet's original hair style, i usually dont like sharing actual character hair styles (i like my character to feel it has its own identity) but it's a pretty basic, cute hair style. That or Rosa from ffiv's hair.

Not that viera would ever get either

I think with some tweaking and people requesting more often, Viera can certainly get access to other races hairstyles. It's ridiculous SE has yet to even update viera or hrothgar currently.