Am I missing something, or are Dark Knights just terrible?

[Danelo]

I really don’t understand the talk about nerfing tbn for ld to be fixed. Every class has a gimmick that plays to its strength and also has a decent invulnerability... except DRK.

If anything fixing ld should be the trade off for nerfing dark mind from 30% back down to 20% this expansion. After all, it’s not like DRK is the only tank that has an answer to magic damage. But we are the only one that has damage specific self target mitigation last I checked...

[Tranquilmelody7]

I really don’t understand the talk about nerfing tbn for ld to be fixed. Every class has a gimmick that plays to its strength and also has a decent invulnerability... except DRK.

If anything fixing ld should be the trade off for nerfing dark mind from 30% back down to 20% this expansion. After all, it’s not like DRK is the only tank that has an answer to magic damage. But we are the only one that has damage specific self target mitigation last I checked...

I agree - I was honestly being facetious when I mentioned nerfing TBN.

Dark Missionary is also the only Magic exclusive party mitigation tool - gotta love a identity for being based on weaknesses to physical attacks and not strong against magical attacks...

Though to be fair I'd take Dark Missionary over Passage of Arms due to it not having a action/movement penalty.

[shao32]

Heart of light from GNB is also magical only, both skills are just the same with a different animation.

Independent of is bcs LD or not TBN is just to strong as a personal mitigation and if the encounter is magical TBN + dark mind is kinda OP right now.

[Danelo]

Heart of light from GNB is also magical only, both skills are just the same with a different animation.

Independent of is bcs LD or not TBN is just to strong as a personal mitigation and if the encounter is magical TBN + dark mind is kinda OP right now.

IF. If not then... you’re down to 2 cds bcs tbn isn’t enough for ex/savage content till its out-geared. And ld is crap and no one uses it except as a last resort. Pun intended

[ReiMakoto]

IF. If not then... you’re down to 2 cds bcs tbn isn’t enough for ex/savage content till its out-geared. And ld is crap and no one uses it except as a last resort. Pun intended

You use living dead to regularly cheese mechanics(stonecrusher e4s, rip current e3s, hell you can even use it in e1s if your healers dont mind), if youre not your making lives more annoying. TBN is enough for most things that dont require invulning though.

[shao32]

IF. If not then... you’re down to 2 cds bcs tbn isn’t enough for ex/savage content till its out-geared. And ld is crap and no one uses it except as a last resort. Pun intended

I mean PLD is the bare minimun in terms of mitigation right now since is the tank with the less amount of personal mitigation tools, savage it's solved basically with rampart or sentinel variant + shelltron variant and the rest is cheated with the invuln wich is the basic kit for every tank. DRK have a weaker TBN on SB and did perfectly fine all the omega specially when shadow wall recast was reduced making it the best defenive tank of the game, they are the best defensive tank right now with any combination of TBN with rampart/shadow wall/ dark mind being bastly superior due the shield nature of TBN.

dark mind is too strong on magical encounters, at first ai belive the nerf was unjutified but seeing current DRK situation and how op is darkmind+TBN i belive DRK is busted on terms of mitigation, is better that the other tanks on physical and on magical is just op, and yes LD is trash in every sense but is still funtional and is more an annoyance that anything else and don't justified the strenght of TBN and DM against magical situations.

i firmly belive DM need to have some physical mitigation but his CD increased like ToB and camouflage and TBN nerf back to 20% with LD fixed to don't need a dam healer burning everything on you to survive, otherwise DRK is in a extremly favored situation on mitigation and TEA is proving that right now.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

IF. If not then... you’re down to 2 cds bcs tbn isn’t enough for ex/savage content till its out-geared. And ld is crap and no one uses it except as a last resort. Pun intended

Since we like the word "if" so much, what "if" in a scenario of physical busters in Ex or Savage we do tankswaps so we don't spread our mitigation too thin? You know, something commonly accepted in those fights at low itemlevel? Hell we could even consider each tank's Reprisal or targetted mitigation tools if we insist on no swaps.

Apart from that, there are very few fights that slap out tankbusters to this degree that you may end up falling behind in mitigation if you don't. LD is being used in situations that would usually kill you without swaps or sharing damage, and lets be real here for a second:

We don't need bene to deal with LD efficiently. Essential dignity peaks at 1100 heal potency and Excog is 800pot and can be crit-boosted. Afflatus Solace + Tetragrammaton heals a solid chunk too. And those are just "ideal" options. There is usually no situation where a healer duo has no answer (unless one died but then the issue isn't LD) to dealing with LD.

[Danelo]

No need to be condescending but... If we are back to living dead then point still remains. The death mechanic is over the top for the sake of identity. Yes, it is usable in preplanned events but it’s a healer cd pit for... reasons. If you defend it maybe the plds would like to switch or let Yoshi-P know he shouldn't be afraid of backlash when the nerf hits.

Dm is a gimp. Won’t convince me otherwise but you’re welcome to your opinion. It’s great for what it can be used for but why??? job identity as the magic tank? That identity only made since when there was a counter balance with pld taking up the physical damage side of things. Couldn’t add something to it to smooth over white damage at least or make it more useable outside of magic attacks in general?

No one uses LD to cheese anything bc of the cost associated unless bene is up. It’s either safer, you have to, or you don’t have other cds to burn. Cheese would be Holmgang tb to a tank swap and out to OT land with a regen. But yes, I am aware how LD works.

[SargentToughie]

No one uses LD to cheese anything bc of the cost associated unless bene is up. It’s either safer, you have to, or you don’t have other cds to burn. Cheese would be Holmgang tb to a tank swap and out to OT land with a regen. But yes, I am aware how LD works.

Budgeting massive hits around Tank invulns is a pretty pivotal part of Savage progression, Living Dead is no exception. in E3S specifically, the Dark Knight typically uses their shorter Cooldown invuln to eat two of the four Rip Currents. Either you have a WHM in the party and it's not a problem, or the healers compensate to keep the DRK up, which is never really that much of a problem anyway.

[Valic]

Just give DRK Convalescence back and bam, LD ain't a big deal anymore... Or better yet, make LD good ffs.