PvP needs another GARO-like event

[Neetborn]

I dislike PvP in general is why I joined this game as it is not a big factor. I do the frontline daily roulette sometimes for EXP but the long queue regardless what job I'm on is a turn off. On that note if garo-like events help the queue be very fast then it is worth it imo.

[Lihtleita]

NO! That event was garbage and an undue cause of stress! The rewards were too difficult to get because of the insane requirements and PVP in this game is horrible anyway!

you had more than an entire expansion to do it. if anything it was too easy.

[Kaiche]

NO! That event was garbage and an undue cause of stress! The rewards were too difficult to get because of the insane requirements and PVP in this game is horrible anyway!

[Decante]

Ugh, please no. I never want to see a Garo like event ever again. The pvp in this game is very subpar compared to others, it isn't this games strength. If they start tunneling rewards into PvP like Garo again, I'll just go play a better PvP game.

[BloodRubyXII]

Ugh, please no. I never want to see a Garo like event ever again. The pvp in this game is very subpar compared to others, it isn't this games strength. If they start tunneling rewards into PvP like Garo again, I'll just go play a better PvP game.

delete this

[Decante]

delete this

I'll explain a bit more then. It took me two months to complete the Garo event. 30+ min queue times for Feasts, meaning I couldn't do anything else while waiting for a queue to pop. I came from WoW, and played Arena and Rated BGs there almost exclusively, and if this game started putting its eggs in its current PVP basket, I'd go back to WoW in a heart beat because the actual pvp here is lightyears behind WoW. The server ticks at an incredibly annoying pace and the GCD is way too slow compared to the very limited amount of abilities you have to actually be interesting. There is very little nuance to PVP in this game compared to pretty much every other PVP MMO I've played. If they are going to put resources into pvp, I'd rather them actually work on making it more interesting to play so they don't have to use carrots on sticks to get people to. After Garo, i never wanted to touch pvp here again. If they offered a better actual experience, my opinion would change, but for now, I'd rather have Garo like events ie full on events with tons of special armors and stuff, be a part of content that I enjoy doing, rather than feel like a chore doing.

[BloodRubyXII]

I'll explain a bit more then. It took me two months to complete the Garo event. 30+ min queue times for Feasts, meaning I couldn't do anything else while waiting for a queue to pop. I came from WoW, and played Arena and Rated BGs there almost exclusively, and if this game started putting its eggs in its current PVP basket, I'd go back to WoW in a heart beat because the actual pvp here is lightyears behind WoW. The server ticks at an incredibly annoying pace and the GCD is way too slow compared to the very limited amount of abilities you have to actually be interesting. There is very little nuance to PVP in this game compared to pretty much every other PVP MMO I've played. If they are going to put resources into pvp, I'd rather them actually work on making it more interesting to play so they don't have to use carrots on sticks to get people to. After Garo, i never wanted to touch pvp here again. If they offered a better actual experience, my opinion would change, but for now, I'd rather have Garo like events ie full on events with tons of special armors and stuff, be a part of content that I enjoy doing, rather than feel like a chore doing.

so dont pvp then. i dont like pve, but you dont hear me crying about not having the ultimate weapons or good pve gear. i also came from WoW, where I got r1 on rsham and glad 5x on 3 different classes, deme who plays dancer was 3x glad on his DK, we happen to like the pvp in this game, it's a matter of opinion, I don't do anything i don't want to do. The Garo event was up for like 2 years, maybe longer, with multiple periods of time where the queues were really good for unranked 8v8 Feast (and then 4v4 when that got removed).

[Decante]

so dont pvp then. i dont like pve, but you dont hear me crying about not having the ultimate weapons or good pve gear. i also came from WoW, where I got r1 on rsham and glad 5x on 3 different classes, deme who plays dancer was 3x glad on his DK, we happen to like the pvp in this game, it's a matter of opinion, I don't do anything i don't want to do. The Garo event was up for like 2 years, maybe longer, with multiple periods of time where the queues were really good for unranked 8v8 Feast (and then 4v4 when that got removed).

You're right, it is a matter of opinion, and if you enjoy it keep enjoying it. We're allowed to like different things. But I don't enjoy it, and my vote in response to the original OP is I'd rather them focus on what I feel is great about this game, the story telling and PvE content. And I want to be clear, I'm not saying you are wrong in liking it, or attacking you, but simply wanted to offer my own opinion because quite frankly, none of my WoW friends will touch this game in its current PvP state, and I can't blame them since all they care about is PvP. That being said, I'm genuinely curious why you feel it is superior to WoW since you seem to have arena experience? I'm open to you changing my mind bc I'd like to convince my friends to play, but my first hand experience is exactly what I described.

EDIT: I actually just saw your original post. We agree more than you think. These events do exactly what you described, they create this boom or bust environment for PvP. My biggest issue was Feast queue times. i was late to the party, i started playing several months ago, so people were already done with Garo by the time I started. They need to improve the pvp not throw rewards at it, make ppl want to play it for the sake of playing it.

[BloodRubyXII]

hat being said, I'm genuinely curious why you feel it is superior to WoW since you seem to have arena experience?

Multiple reasons why I feel the experience I have here in terms of enjoyment is superior to what I had on WoW as a decent player.
1) Solo queue. Something we asked for on WoW as early as BC and never ever got. I can queue a ranked mode whenever I like, multiple things happen once you get into Glad range on WoW (back when it wasn't locked to a specific rating) - members of your team get burnt out, some of them don't want to push out, some of them want to sit when they're safe when you might want to push on - you can't do anything if one person drops out. No matter how active your btag is, this will happen every season and the cycle of playing different comps, and different teams wears thin on you after more than 13 seasons of it.
2) On WoW you absolutely have to PvE to compete on gear. It is way easier to raid Mythic and do a weekly + chest every week than it is to farm gear PvPing on WoW. In what universe does that make sense? When we asked for them to do away with vendors and conquest caps, this wasn't what we were expecting in return. In comparison, the Mists of Pandaria gear system for PvP was a stroke of genius because unlike previous expansions and the first season of WoD (lol coin rogues), you absolutely had to have PvP gear to PvP, and it was obtainable by everyone at every level. All you need to do was cap conquest, and the cap was based on your rating. 2200 gear was removed and replaced with aesthetic rewards instead and is largely why people consider S15 one of the best PvP seasons of all time, even if when it was current everyone complained about LSD/LSD2 comps.
3) Being queue sniped by counter comps, queue dodging, DDoSing etc - absolutely rampant. People think the wintrading and boosting on here is bad, they have absolutely no idea. All it takes is for you to play a few games with a Rogue on Skype that's coming to you with glad exp and you trial them for a few games to see whether they're a good fit for your season push, it doesn't work out, the next week out of nowhere, every single time you queue into a game you get hit off.
4) The gameplay is just awful now.
5) Every single job right now is viable up to a certain point in Feast, just some are clearly far better than others. Some specs on WoW are absolutely unplayable at any level of the game, even at the bottom. Certain seasons of Disc, Holy (Priest), Demonology, tank specs etc being an example.
6) I really like the Tank/Healer/Melee/Range comp idea.
7) I can play anything I want as long as it's level 30 (so anything) without having to farm any kind of gear or talent tree. If your class happens to be bad in Battle for Azeroth and you don't already have a geared alt; you're out of luck. First you have to re-level it to max, which means doing the vast majority of the entire BFA story questline over again. Then you have to level up the necklace. You also have to get gear that provides favourable traits to that necklace (btw whilst we're on this, this is all pve btw). Then you have to do the whole war story thing for better access to azurite farm. Also, more azurite farm. Then you have to remember to PvE every week to improve that gear, balancing this against playing Arena games to get your weekly gear from that too. For every single individual class. Some of the lads wanted me to come back and play for a bit in May and I said ye sure why not, but I'd already sold my account so I just made another one and bought all the expansions. I then had my mates boost my Lock to 120 from 110 by spamming Freehold Heroic back when you could get 120 in 4 hours doing that. Only to find that I had to go back and do the storyline in order to access a lot of gear/dungeons, better azurite farm etc and I simply could not be bothered, I just wanted to go into 3s and BGs and stomp things man but I did zero damage and there was no gear accessible to me solely from PvP that would allow me to do that at that point. At least in previous expansions you just get railed for a few days and do some 2s, then you'll have enough currency to buy gear.

Or I could just log onto FFXIV and select any one of these to play.

Job useless one season? No problem, simply swap my weapon and I can play something else!

The argument here is really "Ok, so you want everything handed to you". Honestly - in that scenario - yeah, if the gear was obtainable solely by doing Battlegrounds/Arenas and was the best PvP gear I could get (which would make obvious season), absolutely I'd do it. But there's no logical reason for me to do that when I can just simply come here and play w.e I want and be instantly on a level playing field to earn rewards.

Sure I had to PvE in Cata, LK and BC for gear, but it wasn't something you had to do, it was just seriously recommended that you'd have like mana trink, bauble, smourne, tarecgosa etc. Not everyone had the PvE gear but they would still be able to compete in PvP gear because you made a concession on resilience in order to have more damage. The trade-off for wearing PvE gear over PvP gear right now is anywhere from nil to being a benefit, especially when you can farm specific trait gear in PvE, you can't PvP - you get what you're given.

Probably some other reasons but these are the main ones. The only thing that I truly miss are Battlegrounds, I could play those both unranked and ranked for hours and hours despite having nothing to really gain from doing so other than because "it's fun". It's not like I don't miss WoW, I genuinely do, but FFXIV is way better suited to me than that game is right now.

[Decante]

Upvoted for a well thought out response and also showed a few of my hater friends it too, one said he'd download the trial and give it a go because in the gearing regard, we agree. The idea of not having to grind PvE or just gear in general is rather nice. I also like being able to switch jobs whenever I feel like, that actually is a plus for the PvE portion too. So I can absolutely see why you prefer it. I guess I just value the things I mentioned earlier a bit more, but what you said is FFXIV's great strength both in PvP and PvE, and overall I am loving the game and those are some of the reasons why. I hope going forward, they add some more complexity to the jobs, for example, I find MNK in PvE pretty active and don't notice the long GCD there as much, but it is super simplified in PvP, same with WHM, the two jobs I've really played in PvP.

Anyways, thanks for your responses, you seem genuinely passionate about the pvp here and that's a good thing, I actually feel bad for my originally terse post. It seems like the community cares about the state of the game, I hope they continue to improve it. I would like to enjoy it more because I'm dying to find a competitive game to get back into, and I've gotten super into the PvE aspect of the game, something that I never was interested in in WoW. I will say one positive thing about FF14 PvP though is that the new Frontline's design is pretty fun. Welp, Happy New Year's to everyone, cheers!