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  1. #71
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    Lasana's Avatar
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    Valeria Merlose
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    Malboro
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    While I don't think it needs a nerf, I agree this is a really difficult, frustrating, and time-consuming fight, especially if you're like me and are pretty slow learning BLU compared to other jobs.

    A lot of unforgiving mechanics to keep track of on top of the HP/MP management that goes with every solo fight, and if you forget just one (or get interrupted by RL aggro), it's over. I also think a player could be forgiven for not using their Primal spells because the fight keeps you too focused on staying alive that busting out the firepower kind of competes with it in your brain's priorities. And there are the demoralizing runs, too. I just got past the hand phase with Ice Guy, only to have him hit me with Throttle in the middle of the geyser phase and follow that up with Fluid Swing as I'm casting Exuviation. Getting closer, though. Thaliak help me!

    Also, rolling my eyes at all the "git gud" comments here. They don't give out Nobel Prizes for being good at video game sidequests, guys. Maybe relax, huh?
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    Last edited by Lasana; 12-29-2019 at 05:22 AM.

  2. #72
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    Anarnee's Avatar
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    Thyn'a Sindyrl
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    Siren
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    I never had any trouble with the hands when they spawned. I usually died cause I wasn't paying attention to the boss and it would hit me while I was focused on the hands.
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  3. #73
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    Nestama Eynfoetsyn
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    Lamia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lasana View Post
    Also, rolling my eyes at all the "git gud" comments here. They don't give out Nobel Prizes for being good at video game sidequests, guys. Maybe relax, huh?
    I think those are just knee jerk reactions to whenever someone says something should be nerfed because it's too hard or whatever.
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  4. #74
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    Staribbon Xu
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    Maduin
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    #29 completed: Over 200 attempts.
    #30 completed: 6 attempts.

    Ooooh Kaaay
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  5. #75
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    Mansion Viscera
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    Louisoix
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    I'm not even sure that it's hard, I think it's more punishing because it requires you to be focused throughout. While it is not comparable to savage difficulty, it does a decent job of designing an encouter that does not boil down to "bring that spell to win" too much, but plays with more game mechanics adaptation. And that's what I kind of enjoy in harder content in FFXIV. I'd argue that this fight could do with some kind of soft enrage mechanic too...

    They did say BLU would have "harder" content to give it a broader audience (especially with savage BLU runs etc.), and I'm kind of happy that the Carnivale had its share of more challenging rounds. In the end, it's too bad it is part of the flawed content that is Carnivale, where once it's done there is no real reason to go back there.
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  6. #76
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    Berteaux Braumegain
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarnee View Post
    I never had any trouble with the hands when they spawned. I usually died cause I wasn't paying attention to the boss and it would hit me while I was focused on the hands.
    Yeah, I remember wiping once when I focused on killing the second hand and then suddenly Fluid Swing into the electricity. I was pretty upset.

    I think the right hand is the one you have to kill ASAP to protect your MP and the other one at least gives you a little bit before doing whatever it's supposed to do. The next time around I waited until Fluid Swing before I tried to kill the second add with Primal OGCDs.

    Quote Originally Posted by JamieRose View Post
    #29 completed: Over 200 attempts.
    #30 completed: 6 attempts.

    Ooooh Kaaay
    The way that fight was done, it feels like main challenge with Siegfried was intended to be doing him with no damage for the achievement. Otherwise, he's a pretty lenient boss with only one or two really nasty attacks.
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  7. #77
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    Pepsi Plunge
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    Lich
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lasana View Post
    Also, rolling my eyes at all the "git gud" comments here. They don't give out Nobel Prizes for being good at video game sidequests, guys. Maybe relax, huh?
    The "relax" goes both ways. Like you said, it's not MSQ, it's a sidequest - you don't need to clear it, which means it's okay for it to be hard and demanding.
    So it's everyone's choice to either put in the effort and "git gud" - or just relax and move on, doing something else. But don't pester the developers about nerfing something just to serve an easy victory on a silver platter, because some of us actually enjoy a good challenge.
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    Last edited by Pepsi_Plunge; 01-02-2020 at 08:48 PM.

  8. #78
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Leviathan
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamieRose View Post
    #29 completed: Over 200 attempts.
    #30 completed: 6 attempts.

    Ooooh Kaaay
    While i stated #25 took me sometime, i followed advice from a friend and cleared right away.
    #30 i did in my 2nd attempt. You basically want to kill the add (or double) asap as to not deal with multiple attacks at once.
    Make sure to bring elemental attacks and throw everything at them, then Siegfried is a breeze.
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  9. #79
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    Esmoire's Avatar
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    Mei Coincounter
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    Ultros
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    Goldsmith Lv 100
    I like that the new battles are more execution-heavy. You still benefit greatly from having particular elements, but it feels like there is a great emphasis on skill. A lot of the old Masked Carnival fights were boring because the execution component was basic or much more forgiving, and were often a walkover if you can do this one easy-to-perform task. Now there's still a lot of "You have this spell or you die", though it is less likely to be a free win.
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  10. #80
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    Gunsa Cabalabob
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    Sargatanas
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge View Post
    The "relax" goes both ways. Like you said, it's not MSQ, it's a sidequest - you don't need to clear it, which means it's okay for it to be hard and demanding.
    So it's everyone's choice to either put in the effort and "git gud" - or just relax and move on, doing something else. But don't pester the developers about nerfing something just to serve an easy victory on a silver platter, because some of us actually enjoy a good challenge.
    Key issue here is there’s a spell locked behind completing it. The spell should be locked behind completing Siegfried (since he’s the BLU final job quest equivalent) then the rest of the fights could be as challenging as they want them to be, they could have some achievements or some side-grade BLU relic armour locked behind them or something, but not a spell. That’s like locking PLD off from hallowed ground until they complete PoTD floor 100 solo rather than putting it behind completing their level 50 job quest.
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    The anonymity of the internet is what leads people to become jerks online.

    You could make a game where all you did was run through fields of flowers holding hands and you'd still get a guy telling you you're doing it wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mcshiggs View Post
    Everyone knows you skip through fields of flowers holding hands, running noobs need to go back to WoW.

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