A word from the italian community about social media posts

[linay]

Im not playing it lately. I didn't know I had to ask your permission to do whatever I wanted, Mr. Noname.

Who says anything about permission? You're needlessly aggressive in your approach.

I'm just curious why you're here with your petty complaints if you don't like the game. Even if you're not playing now, are you going to play it in the future and renew your sub (assuming the game doesn't change to suit your supposed wants) or do they let unsubscribed people continue posting in the forum?

[Omymy]

Who says anything about permission? You're needlessly aggressive in your approach.

I'm just curious why you're here with your petty complaints if you don't like the game. Even if you're not playing now, are you going to play it in the future and renew your sub (assuming the game doesn't change to suit your supposed wants) or do they let unsubscribed people continue posting in the forum?

I exercise my right to speak up and complain about what I think is necessary.

If you don't like criticism, don't read me or don't enter any forum. It's that easy.

[linay]

I exercise my right to speak up and complain about what I think is necessary.

I see, so you don't seem to enjoy the game, but you are going to continue paying for this game just so you can exercise your right to complain about...umbrellas. That's fine by me.

[Saefinn]

I exercise my right to speak up and complain about what I think is necessary.

If you don't like criticism, don't read me or don't enter any forum. It's that easy.

You've been very rude in this thread, so I'll avoid my usual politeness as you clearly don't desire that courtesy.

The game not being translated into certain languages is a perfectly valid criticism and a perfectly reasonable desire to have. Hence why I was happy to defend the OP complaining about the badly written Italian on FFXIV's social media channels. Because it's perfectly valid to have a problem with/criticise/etc.

Despite this, it's plain and simple, you're just throwing your toys out of the pram because people also see it from the other side. You're welcome to it, as we are welcome to criticise it.

But it's very simple.

- They are doing QoL Stuff
- They're just not doing QoL Stuff you desire
- They're also not doing QoL Stuff I desire (disgruntled healer main here)
- It's a matter of what budget SE gives the dev team
- It's also a matter of the type of resource they spend that budget on and who they hire as a result
- An artist making umbrellas available because they have artists available to do that doesn't mean this is resource that could go on doing the QoL you want. Unless those artists are fluent in Spanish and have the time to fully translate the game.
- It's not like they're going to fire artists who have time to make umbrellas to make up the budget needed to hire Spanish translators. Or Spanish voice actors if they go the whole hog and translate audio, which is not cheap.
- Should SE give the dev team a bigger budget & more staff? I think so, yes. Definitely. I'd also be curious how big of a budget this game already has versus how much they make.
- Do I think the dev team is being xenophobic as you suggested earlier? No, not at all. It's a massive game, a translation is by no means a small job.

Is this brown nosing SE? No. It's just looking at things from more than 1 angle rather than making baseless judgements. This is me speaking as one who has posted /much/ criticism to stuff I think can be improved in this game. Despite this, I can recognise things from the other side too and am not jumping to erroneous conclusions or throwing fits at people who disagree with me or are trying to look at things from a different angle.

[Omymy]

You've been very rude in this thread, so I'll avoid my usual politeness as you clearly don't desire that courtesy.

Awwww, cupcake, you will not be polite... big problem for me tho.

I see, so you don't seem to enjoy the game, but you are going to continue paying for this game just so you can exercise your right to complain about...umbrellas. That's fine by me.

I do enjoy the game but i think it could improve. Like allowing more people to play it in their language or introducing real content and not focusing on costumes and furniture.

[Halivel]

It's really hilarious that people have been super polite in their replies but you've been a hostile tool this whole time. Want to know why you don't get many games translated in to Spanish? Because the accessibility of English. Most, if not all, second most spoken language is English. It is the L2 language king and while there is so many people who know English, languages like Spanish, Arabic, Russian etc. will not be used commonly in games like ffxiv.

Speaking about Russian, in case with FF14 there is no even big sense to make localisation for us in the first place, to be honest. RU-community is very small in FF14, I doubt that we have more than 500 constantly active players at all. People come ofc, especially with recent wave of ex-wow players, but the core russian speaking audience is nothing. Yes, lack of Russian is one of the reasons for that, but also it's because it is a sub-based game (while our biggest amount of players are minors who hasn't money to pay for sub or adults that don't think that MMO are worth a monthly sub considering the economical state of the place). Not to mention that it's very PvE-focused game, while our players seem to prefer open-world PvP. So while our community isn't small in game industry overall, in case with FF14 it's... probably not worth the struggle.

The only thing I want as a Russian player, actually, is ability to order things from SE Store. Every time there is some merch - we simply can't do this even if we want to, because SE does not deliver to Russia (probably same for Ukraine and others).

I do enjoy the game but i think it could improve. Like allowing more people to play it in their language or introducing real content and not focusing on costumes and furniture.

As much as it would be cool, that's physically impossible to provide the game in all languages people speak in this game. They took those that bring biggest profit in game industry. That's it.
Translating the game into new languages now will mean separate servers, because it will be either imposibble or too much expensive to catch up 6 years of content. A friendly reminder that KR and CN versions, that were released not much later than Global one, are behind us in patch cycle. KR just recently got Shadowbringers. Are you ready to drop your character here and start from scratch? Are you sure that all Spanish speakers will? Are you sure that separate server with all its flaws will be succefful enough to not be closed? It's not as simple as it looks, seriously.

About fashion and housing - it is a real content. They release it because a huge portion of community is into this. If it wouldn't be as popular as it is, they would not spend so many time on this. Just because it's not your thing it doesn't mean that this content is less real or worth.

[linay]

I do enjoy the game but i think it could improve.

That's good to know. It just seems from some of your recent posts that you didn't. I'm glad to be wrong in this case.

[Saefinn]

Awwww, cupcake, you will not be polite... big problem for me tho.

Fortunately for me, I'm not a self-entitled child throwing temper tantrums because people have the audacity to disagree with me or try to talk sense into me.

But nice try at being condescending, it takes much more than that to get a rise, sugar. But you've shown clearly you're not interested in reasonable discussion, especially by your refusal to address any reasonable points made. So I think it'd be a wasted effort for anybody to try engaging any further.

[Omymy]

Fortunately for me, I'm not a self-entitled child throwing temper tantrums because people have the audacity to disagree with me or try to talk sense into me.

But nice try at being condescending, it takes much more than that to get a rise, sugar. But you've shown clearly you're not interested in reasonable discussion, especially by your refusal to address any reasonable points made.

Mhm, i see. Next.

Speaking about Russian, in case with FF14 there is no even big sense to make localisation for us in the first place, to be honest. RU-community is very small in FF14, I doubt that we have more than 500 constantly active players at all. People come ofc, especially with recent wave of ex-wow players, but the core russian speaking audience is nothing. Yes, lack of Russian is one of the reasons for that, but also it's because it is a sub-based game (while our biggest amount of players are minors who hasn't money to pay for sub or adults that don't think that MMO are worth a monthly sub considering the economical state of the place). Not to mention that it's very PvE-focused game, while our players seem to prefer open-world PvP. So while our community isn't small in game industry overall, in case with FF14 it's... probably not worth the struggle.

The only thing I want as a Russian player, actually, is ability to order things from SE Store. Every time there is some merch - we simply can't do this even if we want to, because SE does not deliver to Russia (probably same for Ukraine and others).



As much as it would be cool, that's physically impossible to provide the game in all languages people speak in this game. They took those that bring biggest profit in game industry. That's it.
Translating the game into new languages now will mean separate servers, because it will be either imposibble or too much expensive to catch up 6 years of content. A friendly reminder that KR and CN versions, that were released not much later than Global one, are behind us in patch cycle. KR just recently got Shadowbringers. Are you ready to drop your character here and start from scratch? Are you sure that all Spanish speakers will? Are you sure that separate server with all its flaws will be succefful enough to not be closed? It's not as simple as it looks, seriously.

About fashion and housing - it is a real content. They release it because a huge portion of community is into this. If it wouldn't be as popular as it is, they would not spend so many time on this. Just because it's not your thing it doesn't mean that this content is less real or worth.

That's not strictly necessary. I play WoW in Spanish and my character is in an English realm.

I'm not asking for servers for us, just to be able to enjoy the game in my language, which on the other hand is one of the most spoken on the planet.

[MrKusakabe]

I'm not asking for servers for us, just to be able to enjoy the game in my language, which on the other hand is one of the most spoken on the planet.

And we already were trough the part about the "business standpoint" over the "but we are more speakers", right? What does that matter after all? That is like selling winter jackets in Africa - just because there are so many people does not mean they are interested or able to purchase your product.

So the conclusions in this thread might be spot-on: Not enough money to get. Also, I often stumble over the massive differences from Spanish "dialects" or whatever you call. I have a person at work from Peru and one that learned Spanish in school and spent some months in Madrid with his sister, and they both often get "lost in translation" and have to explain each other.

A couple of days I was re-watching the 80s cartoon "Heathcliff" and in the multi-language intro, there were two dubs: "European Spanish" and "Latin". And big portions of latin america does surely not care about this game being in their native language. In general, Central America is probably not even a real target market. I know Brazil is not "Central America", but I learnt they still develop games for the Sega MegaDrive (from 1989) because people can not afford much and/or are happy with that.

I am sure if there is easy money to grab, Square Enix would've done so.