Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[VirusOnline]

I can see Male Viera in the future. Female Hrothgar... that's gonna be a tough one.. I rather not think on it

Very telling of how society views female beauty.
If they do, I hope they don't make the mistake of pasting a human face on a race which is supposed to have an actual animal one.

[Tabbs]

You used the word "strong", so I wanted to clarify what the exact quote was. As I thought, it refers to their prowess in more general terms.

If their "general" martial prowess is "as formidable as" that of the men, then that is to imply the women could win in archery contests or in hand-to-hand combat with the males. They are just as good at these things if their martial prowess is "as formidable as". Thats what that phrase means. If we assume theres no great dimorphism between the two (same/similar height range), then there's also no reason to assume the women aren't as physically strong beyond real world preconceptions about how men and women "are" or "should be", which certainly sounds like what you're basing your argument on.

[Senn]

You used the word "strong", so I wanted to clarify what the exact quote was. As I thought, it refers to their prowess in more general terms.

I'm in agreement with what Tabbs said. Real world biology doesn't matter in this game. Also, if we're talking about playable characters/male viera, consider this; males and females of the same race/tribe have the same stats as each other (including strength).

I still think Senn's suggestion

This post isn't necessarily for you since I'm aware you're just being petty, but for other people who happen to read this. That picture of male viera is not one that I personally suggested. I actually think it's too bulky and would prefer something slimmer like Omega M's body type. The reason it's in the OP is because a user (Lauront?) requested that I add the photo - at the time, I was still willing to make changes to the OP.

Theo, I think at the very least, you should respect the fact I even left that picture up there, even though you and I both know it's not what I'd "suggest", nor is it something I prefer.

[Crushnight]

Ah so the buff agenda is back, good to know i'll avoid thread for awhile again then..

I'll stay around asking for a single more youthful face (early 20s etc) but even that is classed as hijacking the race apparently so meh.

[Theodric]

I think it'd be pretty cool if they were designed to be tall, masculine and fairly well-built. Something like this, perhaps:



I'd definitely hate to see the gender/race combo hijacked to appease those who want the men to be drastically different to the women for the sake of being niche.

[Senn]

Ah so the buff agenda is back, good to know i'll avoid thread for awhile again then..

I'll stay around asking for a single more youthful face (early 20s etc) but even that is classed as hijacking the race apparently so meh.

I'm sure at this point, he's aware no one is "hijacking" anything considering no one knows what male viera look like. Can't hijack something that doesn't even have an official design yet. He's just saying it to get a rise out of people.

[Theodric]

All of my contributions to the thread have been constructive. I think it's unfair to claim that I'm posting to get a rise out of people. Though I won't rise to that particular bit of bait, as I do not wish to get into an argument.

Please simply agree to disagree on the matter or something.

There have definitely been attempts to hijack the cause, though. Or are we now pretending that Yoshi-P didn't have to make a statement specifically saying that they will not be designed to resemble children...? It was unfortunate that he had to point that out in the first place.

[Senn]

I think it's unfair to claim that I'm posting to get a rise out of people.

hahaha ok
/10char

[Theodric]

I think Gladio from Final Fantasy XV could also be excellent inspiration for the design of male viera, especially with such a strong and sturdy physique:



Just pop some bunny ears on him and it's pretty similar to the popular concept art.

[Lauront]

I'm in agreement with what Tabbs said. Real world biology doesn't matter in this game. Also, if we're talking about playable characters/male viera, consider this; males and females of the same race/tribe have the same stats as each other (including strength).

Real world biology matters to the extent which the in-game lore doesn't explicitly contradict it - it's still operative, and where they feel the need to specify other factors, e.g. the presence of Elementals in Gridania, or Eorzea's aether-richness, they do so. Nonetheless, this argument is seriously flawed. The reason I didn't see the need to respond to Tabbs was because that whole discussion was proceeding on a different tangent, about whether they're "fierce" or not, which like "formidable", can be taken in multiple different ways.

However, in-game stats don't mean anything. They used to be there to reflect racial differences a little bit, were then removed, but they're obviously not literal stats and anyone who knows anything about MMOs would know better than to make any sort of inference from them. They're irrelevant and the fact that the descriptive lore does mention racial differences at various points goes further to show how useless they are at establishing anything.

The even bigger issue is people who think confounding variables, like materia, or jobs using lots and lots of magic mean physiological differences are irrelevant - they're not, because it isn't cost-free to train up or equip individuals with such methods/items. This may not matter for the WoL or an established adventurer, or wealthy city-state army, but what we're discussing is the race's evolutionary history which likely took place in an environment of more severe scarcity. Eorzea is also uniquely aether-rich, FYI, which contributed to its prosperity, and even so these pressures appear to have existed in shaping the differences in each race.

So no, I don't find this line of reasoning compelling in the least.

That picture of male viera is not one that I personally suggested. I actually think it's too bulky

Ah so the buff agenda is back, good to know i'll avoid thread for awhile again then..

Yes, we must not let it interfere with our echo chamber's singular vision for cutesy, soft bunny boys.

I'll stay around asking for a single more youthful face (early 20s etc) but even that is classed as hijacking the race apparently so meh.

Yeah, the one or two people who take it to that extreme have besieged the thread...

Really, I don't post here much but the few times I do, I always see the same soft, cutesy bunny boy thing being pushed, because - and solely in the context of this thread - there's quite a few of you dedicated to keep repeating the same demand. So relax.