Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

Simple - it's how we evolved. Men by and large are physically larger and women smaller and both genders find this sexually appealing. Exceptions to this are rare. It's little to do with "double standards of gender" and more to do with what they know their playerbase tends to find appealing for each of the two genders.

That said, I view the extent of the dimorphism with Au Ra to be a mistake and I would not want to see it repeated with Viera. They can just do what they ought to have done with Au Ra females - allow for a bigger height slider that lets the men go both below and above the female height, problem solved.

Also, as was pointed out earlier in this thread, female rabbits are only "larger" to accommodate sexual reproduction, i.e. possess more body fat, but are not longer, per se, and it's also not uniform across all leporine species. However, Viera are not rabbits (or hares, for that matter) and just loosely rabbit inspired, so it's of little relevance how they differ in size as animals.

[SturmChurro]

Au Ra at mid-max height is about the height of an average miqo'te - average midlander. At 30 (which mine is usually at) is about as tall as a max short miqo'te. Pretty normal size for females in this game. It's just that the males are like, what 7 feet tall? The only alternative would be to make the au ra about as tall as a female roe (like taller than viera). Au Ra would definitely be MUCH less popular, either that or make au ra males as tall as a midlander or highlander males.

When it comes to male vieras, I see them at about the exact same height as females, give or take.

[MikkoAkure]

To add onto what Lauront said, I think I remember someone saying that Yoshi or a higher up in SE thought the original au ra woman design wouldn’t sell as many fantasias and they used the low population of femroes as an example. So they turned them into short reptile teens with anime emotes. It’s apparent that there’s not as much interest for the more heavily built women in the game. Since the original concept called for a taller demon/dragon guy, I guess they didn’t decide to scale (heh) them down as well or thought that big muscle man sells better than small lizard boy.

In-game, there’s a xaela tribe that bred themselves so that the men are super tall, way more than normal, but the women are normal height. Maybe that means all au ra used to be short but the men of all tribes hulked themselves out over time because they’re all about fighting. There’s a missed opportunity of short au ra men on the First. But seeing how allergic to new models they are, I guess they wouldn’t really have bothered to model them if that was the case anyway.

[Tabbs]

To add onto what Lauront said, I think I remember someone saying that Yoshi or a higher up in SE thought the original au ra woman design wouldn’t sell as many fantasias and they used the low population of femroes as an example. So they turned them into short reptile teens with anime emotes. It’s apparent that there’s not as much interest for the more heavily built women in the game. Since the original concept called for a taller demon/dragon guy, I guess they didn’t decide to scale (heh) them down as well or thought that big muscle man sells better than small lizard boy.

Teens are still underage. Bolding this because you guys are all arguing the wrong point. Its not about how popular they would actually be or how much they would sell. Someone said "they [male viera] look like children and shota" in response to a desire for a cuter version of male viera. The double standard here is that there are people saying "female au ra is fine" but that we can't have a male equivalent of that. Its not about how popular it is, its about how people are saying men can't be short and cute without being childlike, or conversely that female au ra aren't childlike despite being short and cute. If short and cute on men are descriptors of age then the same should follow for women.

I'm not trying to argue on behalf of short bun boys or tall bun boys, I'll take either, but there absolutely is a double standard in place there. Either they both look like children, or they're both just short adults. Take your pick.

[Theodric]

I just want male viera to be tall, decently well-built and good looking. I don't want them hijacked in order to fulfill an odd niche 'just because'.

[Fredco191]

I don’t really care how tall they are. (unless they’re Lalafell height.) As long as I can give mine a huge beard and, some scars.

[Averax]

Consider that people think the dimorphism of Au Ra is NOT fine and would rather not see it repeated on another race. How about a nice, average sized male race, that isn't 7 feet tall, or disturbingly short in comparison with their female counterparts.

People need to Remember that Viera males live a generally harsh, unforgiving lifestyle, so even if they were smaller they would not be "cute, soft bois".

I'm thinking more in the vein of Wildstar's Aurin race. The males were smaller, but not dramatically so, and not chibi-esque either.

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[Jybril]

People need to Remember that Viera males live a generally harsh, unforgiving lifestyle, so even if they were smaller they would not be "cute, soft bois".

Well the Au Ra girls in the Xaela tribe look as dainty as the
Raen counterparts so you can throw that out the window tbh because they
are suppose to be more fierce but my character is a Xaela and she is sitting here
giggling like a shy anime school girl lol.

SE is just gonna half-butt it and make them like
Miqote guys and call it a day. Can't see them doing
too much at this point with how F.Viera are lol.

[Palibun]

i know the meme that this thread will never die, but fr we need short viera males for one reason and one reason only:

[Senn]

SE is just gonna half-butt it and make them like
Miqote guys and call it a day. Can't see them doing
too much at this point with how F.Viera are lol.

If male viera are ever added, the devs will probably make the male viera face similar to that of miqo'te, while their bodies will sort of be like elezen - just with better proportions. Female viera is the same way. It would be nice if the males were shorter in my opinion, but I think the males and females will most likely be around similar heights.

Also, as was pointed out earlier in this thread, female rabbits are only "larger" to accommodate sexual reproduction, i.e. possess more body fat, but are not longer, per se, and it's also not uniform across all leporine species.

Female rabbits and hares tend to be larger than their male counterparts.
"Rabbits and hares are unusual among mammals because females tend to be larger than males."
http://www.biokids.umich.edu/critters/Leporidae/

Maybe there is the odd species of rabbit where the male might be the same size as the female or a little bigger, but that is not the norm. There is a clear trend in females being larger than the males. Females are bigger in size and they also weigh more.

As a side note, male rabbits tend to be more easy-going and relaxed than female rabbits.
"Male and female rabbits are distinctly different from each other, even after de-sexing. Males tend to be more easy going and relaxed while females are usually "the boss" of any household. In the wild, rabbits pair up into couples with the female digging their burrow and the male defending her and the burrow against intruders."
http://www.bunnyhugga.com/a-to-z/rab...rsonality.html

I thought this was kind of interesting because it's similar to how viera are portrayed. Female viera seem to be the "boss" of their homeland, while the males are sort of out there defending the females that are tending to their home.

Viera aren't actually rabbits so I don't see how that's relevant at all? Realistically (in the context of the other races in the game) the males would be taller.

Aside from the obvious rabbit ears, it's possible viera were inspired by rabbits in other ways. I already mentioned how female rabbits tend to their burrows, while the males are defending the female and the burrow against intruders. This is similar to how viera live in the game as well. Of course, this could only just be a coincidence, and the behavior rabbits display in the wild was not used as inspiration for the viera lifestyle.