Quote Originally Posted by Eloah View Post
I was not trying to imply that the Echo is 100% involved, more like the events taking place probably involve the Echo. And that what we experience is reminiscent of the Echo, since the Japanese term is not the term for Echo but in English it is.
It was specifically noted by Yoshida in the stream that the "Echo" mentioned in the patch title is a direct reference to the term "the Echo" in English. So it's probably the team making a pun that works only in English and Yoshida indicating that the meaning should be the same in Japanese, they just couldn't get it to work.

I think saying the Emet-Selch somehow used the Echo to help him create the copy of Amarot oversells what the Echo does and undersells how crazy awesome the Ancinets were. Both as a race and as masters of arcane knowledge. Nothing we've ever seen the Echo do so far augments our own recollections of our own memories. The Echo has always been shown to be something that lets us (or anyone else with it) see or understand knowledge other people has. We understand other people's languages, see into their pasts, feel their emotions, etc. We never see the Echo showing us things we have personally experienced though.

The Ancients meanwhile are like gods. From what we have seen, they lived extremely long lives and more then likley had the mental capacity to deal with that. The thing Emet-Slech seems to have the hardest time dealing with is how limited and diminished we are as a race when compared to how the Ancients were. To the point he and the other Ascians who are unsundered Ancients don't even think we are people. To my knowledge, none of the unsundered Ascians think 20,000 years is a long time just because it has 20,000 years. Emet-Selch seems more annoyed about the fact that he is alone, rather then for how long he as been alone. It also doesn't seem that the Ascians are bothered it takes them a few thousand years to cause a Shard to Rejoin with the Source. None of them seem to feel the need to "hurry the plan up" as it were. In fact, they attribute trying to move the plan along too fast as the reason the 13th Shard became the Void. It just doesn't seem like the Ascians care at all about how long they have been around. They don't seem to be surprised by it either. It's almost like living for more then 20,000 years is a normal thing for them to do and they're used to plans that take advantage of long time periods.

To add to all of that, the Ancients had incredible aether reserves and could create literally anything they could think up. Part of what makes Emet-Selchs recreation of Amarot so amazing is that is shows off how much aether he can manipulate and how detailed his manipulation is. Which is... an entire city's worth of buildings and AI controlled citizens on a 24-hour loop. That's a far cry from anything we've ever seen magic do before. It's also nothing like what we see the Echo do. It is what we see happen every time a Primal is summoned, just on an entirely different scale that dwarfs pretty much all the primal summonings. For a primal to be summoned, countless aether crystals are needed as is the belief of a large amount of people. And Emet-Selch can construct something on the scale of a city all by himself. Now take that that same overall level of aether control and apply it to an entire race of people who live a super long time...

Finally... we don't even know what the Echo is. What we do know is what the Ascians (specifically Lahabrea and Elidibius) think about it. And it's... rather surprising... Lahabrea directly calls it "an aberration in the aether" at one point. Elidibus calls it "a gift". So it sounds like the Echo isn't something natural to the Ascians. There's also the hang-up that the Echo is what keeps us from being Tempered, while the Ascians are both Tempered by Zoidark and have the Echo. Which begs the question of which one they got first...